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Post by ramsey on Mar 11, 2022 11:09:56 GMT
Fascism is on the march again in Europe. The far right in the West are Putin's bitches, willingly picking up the breadcrumbs dropped from the FSB, successor to the KGB, and turning them into full-blown conspiracy theories. As Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine, we will see a slew of these propagandistic theories being spread. The latest one, courtesy of QAnon, is that the US was manufacturing bioweapons in Ukraine. Putin is their new hero. He has replaced Trump. We should bear in mind that the same people who are spreading this sh1t also believe that Trump (now Putin) is actually engaged in an existential battle for control of the West with vampire paedophiles (a risible blood libel, a metaphor meaning Jews). What drives them? Well they are not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Putin is their new role model and hero. They are spreading his propaganda around social media even as he pulverises civilians and destroys millions of lives. The Great reset, NWO all that crazy sh1t, the stuff that has been infecting this site for months now, is all part of the same playbook. So, when it comes down to it, you have to decide. On which side of the divide do you sit? With the far right conspiracy theorists and their new hero Putin (who has already initiated an attack on the UK with novichok remember) or with the West.
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Post by brummie1875 on Mar 11, 2022 13:18:46 GMT
Ramsey,
I'm on the side of the West and not this relic from the past, Putin.
There is lots of propaganda from both sides, always is in a conflict (and with issues like Covid). If Ukraine makes up some stuff to gain more sympathy, get more military support, that is par for the course in its position.
Like everything else, read between the lines, do some research, and make your own decision.
#FuckPutin
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 11, 2022 13:54:37 GMT
Russians, mentioned this months ago but I didn’t really believe it until now. You have to use your best guess. No point in fanatically believe one set of liars over another. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 11, 2022 14:25:01 GMT
Fascism is on the march again in Europe. The far right in the West are Putin's bitches, willingly picking up the breadcrumbs dropped from the FSB, successor to the KGB, and turning them into full-blown conspiracy theories. As Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine, we will see a slew of these propagandistic theories being spread. The latest one, courtesy of QAnon, is that the US was manufacturing bioweapons in Ukraine. Putin is their new hero. He has replaced Trump. We should bear in mind that the same people who are spreading this sh1t also believe that Trump (now Putin) is actually engaged in an existential battle for control of the West with vampire paedophiles (a risible blood libel, a metaphor meaning Jews). What drives them? Well they are not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Putin is their new role model and hero. They are spreading his propaganda around social media even as he pulverises civilians and destroys millions of lives. The Great reset, NWO all that crazy sh1t, the stuff that has been infecting this site for months now, is all part of the same playbook. So, when it comes down to it, you have to decide. On which side of the divide do you sit? With the far right conspiracy theorists and their new hero Putin (who has already initiated an attack on the UK with novichok remember) or with the West.  Good job you don't listen to propaganda. So going to get interesting, then. Fascists on the march (where to?). Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. Good Lord. That won't end well. The flag waving MAGA hat wearers, have moved onto Putin, and MUGA presumably. All of them ? You're very well informed. Driven by not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Even those homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, other diverse, feminists, face masks, vaccinated etc, who voted for Tump. Who'd have thought. Makes you wonder why Trump bombed Putin's main ally in the Middle East, and why Putin waited for Trump to be out of office, before kicking off. The Globalist's website www.weforum.org/great-resetAre you Jewish by any chance, you do seem to bring 'em up a lot ? "You do know I'm the one who got the US to recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel, my daughter converted to Judaism and I have Jewish grandchildren ?"  |
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Post by ramsey on Mar 11, 2022 14:37:07 GMT
Ramsey, I'm on the side of the West and not this relic from the past, Putin. There is lots of propaganda from both sides, always is in a conflict (and with issues like Covid). If Ukraine makes up some stuff to gain more sympathy, get more military support, that is par for the course in its position. Like everything else, read between the lines, do some research, and make your own decision. #FuckPutin Indeed. The first casualty of war is the truth. And let's be honest, the West is not without guilt to say the least. The US has done terrible things as did the British Empire before it. The US is a nation born out of the biggest genocide in history. It gave up its right to take the moral high ground a long time ago. However, I see things more in terms of a battle of ideas rather than nations and geopolitics and what kind of society we want to create and live in as an ideal. I prefer to live in a liberal democracy where people can live an authentic life and be whatever they want to be as long as it does no harm to others. I also believe wealthy countries such as ours can and should help the less fortunate in the world and we should embrace diversity which makes us stronger not weaker. This is all anathema to the far right. As far as 'doing research' is concerned, I have reservations about that as a term used on social media. I think to read widely is a good thing and to do your best to educate yourself is a good thing. However, research done correctly is a highly skilled academic endeavour. A skill which most of the population simply does not have as it is an academic discipline in which they have no training. It involves reviewing everything you can about a subject, from whatever source, painstakingly building evidence and continually correcting for bias and being totally self-aware about that bias. Rejecting anything that might be tainted by an agenda. Then and only then you can start to form a conclusion and those conclusions should then be reviewed by others who will look for bias. What most people actually do when they say on social media that they have 'done their research' is they have already reached their conclusion before they start and are just looking for evidence to confirm that belief and are only going to use sources that are likely to confirm their already formed beliefs, such as all leaders are just puppets of the Jews who manipulate world events, the MSM is all just propaganda (LOL have they ever met a real life journo) etc etc. Their research is basically googling You Tube videos, conspiracy sites and conspiracy books as a form of demented entertainment. I guess I am just as guilty of bias as I read the Mail, Telegraph, Guardian, BBC, Independent, Spectator & Economist, the MSM basically, and avoid conspiracy crap like the plague as it is usually following a far right or far left agenda (they are often the same) and a worldview which I reject. I reached my conclusion a long time ago about what sort of society I want to live in. I am happy with that bias. |
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Post by ramsey on Mar 11, 2022 16:38:01 GMT
Fascism is on the march again in Europe. The far right in the West are Putin's bitches, willingly picking up the breadcrumbs dropped from the FSB, successor to the KGB, and turning them into full-blown conspiracy theories. As Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine, we will see a slew of these propagandistic theories being spread. The latest one, courtesy of QAnon, is that the US was manufacturing bioweapons in Ukraine. Putin is their new hero. He has replaced Trump. We should bear in mind that the same people who are spreading this sh1t also believe that Trump (now Putin) is actually engaged in an existential battle for control of the West with vampire paedophiles (a risible blood libel, a metaphor meaning Jews). What drives them? Well they are not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Putin is their new role model and hero. They are spreading his propaganda around social media even as he pulverises civilians and destroys millions of lives. The Great reset, NWO all that crazy sh1t, the stuff that has been infecting this site for months now, is all part of the same playbook. So, when it comes down to it, you have to decide. On which side of the divide do you sit? With the far right conspiracy theorists and their new hero Putin (who has already initiated an attack on the UK with novichok remember) or with the West. Good job you don't listen to propaganda. So going to get interesting, then. Fascists on the march (where to?). Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. Good Lord. That won't end well. The flag waving MAGA hat wearers, have moved onto Putin, and MUGA presumably. All of them ? You're very well informed. Driven by not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Even those homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, other diverse, feminists, face masks, vaccinated etc, who voted for Tump. Who'd have thought. Makes you wonder why Trump bombed Putin's main ally in the Middle East, and why Putin waited for Trump to be out of office, before kicking off. The Globalist's website www.weforum.org/great-resetAre you Jewish by any chance, you do seem to bring 'em up a lot ? "You do know I'm the one who got the US to recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel, my daughter converted to Judaism and I have Jewish grandchildren ?" View AttachmentYou seem to be utterly confused mate. I wasn't talking about that orange fool Trump. I was talking about bigoted far-right cultists and their conspiracy theories. Which include projecting their own paranoid fantasies onto political slogans such as the Great Reset and New World Order and turning them into something sinister. Oh! and 'on the march' is an English idiom. It means 'to make progress'. LOL You've never heard of Oliver Stone? That made me laugh. 😃 Conspiracy 101 mate surely. |
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Post by westheathen on Mar 11, 2022 17:03:24 GMT
If you want to know what Russia will do next just see first what they accuse you of.
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Post by westheathen on Mar 11, 2022 17:04:31 GMT
If you want to know what Russia will do next just wait to see what they accuse you of. |
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Post by ramsey on Mar 11, 2022 17:25:18 GMT
If you want to know what Russia will do next just see first what they accuse you of. Yes. This is part of the playbook they developed in Syria and elsewhere. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 11, 2022 18:23:14 GMT
 Good job you don't listen to propaganda. So going to get interesting, then. Fascists on the march (where to?). Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. Good Lord. That won't end well. The flag waving MAGA hat wearers, have moved onto Putin, and MUGA presumably. All of them ? You're very well informed. Driven by not too keen on homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, diversity of any kind, feminists, face masks, vaccines etc. Even those homosexuals, transsexuals, immigrants, black and asian people, Jews, other diverse, feminists, face masks, vaccinated etc, who voted for Tump. Who'd have thought. Makes you wonder why Trump bombed Putin's main ally in the Middle East, and why Putin waited for Trump to be out of office, before kicking off. The Globalist's website www.weforum.org/great-resetAre you Jewish by any chance, you do seem to bring 'em up a lot ? "You do know I'm the one who got the US to recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel, my daughter converted to Judaism and I have Jewish grandchildren ?" <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> You seem to be utterly confused mate. I wasn't talking about that orange fool Trump. I was talking about bigoted far-right cultists and their conspiracy theories. Which include projecting their own paranoid fantasies onto political slogans such as the Great Reset and New World Order and turning them into something sinister. Oh! and 'on the march' is an English idiom. It means 'to make progress'. LOL You've never heard of Oliver Stone? That made me laugh. 😃 Conspiracy 101 mate surely. Well from what I've seen on the WEF's website, turning it into something more sinister is quite the ask; and I've not come across any far-right cultists. I'm sure if they were an issue, the BBC would mention them 24/7. I wouldn't fret. Actually, what I'm getting from this place is, Putin is trying to get shot of the Nasties. And you absolutely were talking about Trump So, are you Jewish by any chance, you do seem to bring 'em up a lot ? |
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Post by TILTON on Mar 12, 2022 1:10:52 GMT
Does make you wonder if the states have finally woke up to YOU CANT WIN if the people in situ decide to fight and fight and fight.
Look at Afghan 20 years of ‘work’ and it took literally days to unravel all that work. They probably realised all the meddling cost billions then you probably gotta pay for the humanitarian cost after you left too.
So going toe to toe with Russia will achieve what?
Every sanction we make hurts the worlds economy more than it hurts Putin. The interest rate and collapsing currency won’t take food off his lovely plates but it will hurt his people but hey since when does a leader care about that. It’s a bit like the EFL sanctions on blues it doesn’t hurt who it is meant for.
Gas up 160% petrol could be double by end of year. Wheat could rocket. How much other stuff will rise we were already having high inflation at this rate U.K. inflation could reach ridiculous levels. All for democracy.
Most of us are lucky but how are folks on low income going to survive? How much will they care for democracy when their kids are going hungry?
Not saying we should lie down and let Putin have what he wants but you can sense most will wonder how far do we let it go?
We seem ok to let 100,000 Yemeni folk get slaughtered by Saudi? It all feels rather selective don’t it?
Even now the Iraqis were called insurgents and the Ukrainians are called civilians. Ukraine leader tells them to take up arms and I am pretty sure other countries we blitzed were telling their people to do the same.
We wonder why some of the world don’t like the west!
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Post by brummie1875 on Mar 12, 2022 8:02:09 GMT
Tilts,
You are correct to highlight the slaughter and humanitarian crisis brought to Yemen by Saudi Arabia and the different stance taken by the West. Don't get me started about Newcastle United.
As far as Putin is concerned, I predict this will eventually lead to his removal. Sanctions may hurt all of us, but they seem to be a better route than letting Ukraine battle on alone, or go down the route of getting NATO involved in a military conflict (which would be more costly in terms of soldier's lives and weaponary).
Ultimately this march into Ukraine is costing the lives of their soldiers, including conscripts, some top generals, economic damage, commercial isolation, and people, including those around him will start to weigh up the plusses and minuses.
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Post by ramsey on Mar 12, 2022 10:29:47 GMT
Does make you wonder if the states have finally woke up to YOU CANT WIN if the people in situ decide to fight and fight and fight. Look at Afghan 20 years of ‘work’ and it took literally days to unravel all that work. They probably realised all the meddling cost billions then you probably gotta pay for the humanitarian cost after you left too. So going toe to toe with Russia will achieve what? Every sanction we make hurts the worlds economy more than it hurts Putin. The interest rate and collapsing currency won’t take food off his lovely plates but it will hurt his people but hey since when does a leader care about that. It’s a bit like the EFL sanctions on blues it doesn’t hurt who it is meant for. Gas up 160% petrol could be double by end of year. Wheat could rocket. How much other stuff will rise we were already having high inflation at this rate U.K. inflation could reach ridiculous levels. All for democracy. Most of us are lucky but how are folks on low income going to survive? How much will they care for democracy when their kids are going hungry? Not saying we should lie down and let Putin have what he wants but you can sense most will wonder how far do we let it go? We seem ok to let 100,000 Yemeni folk get slaughtered by Saudi? It all feels rather selective don’t it? Even now the Iraqis were called insurgents and the Ukrainians are called civilians. Ukraine leader tells them to take up arms and I am pretty sure other countries we blitzed were telling their people to do the same. We wonder why some of the world don’t like the west! I think you are conflating the concepts of liberal democracy and capitalism. Most of the wars the West fights are not to defend liberal democracy but are imperialistic wars for financial gain. As far as the cost of living is concerned, we live in a consumerist society driven by greed. Driving down costs has led us to make some serious strategic mistakes by depending on others with no plan B. Reliance on China being the ultimate example, which will come back to bite us big time. We have let capitalism run rampant, unchecked, instead of controlling it to work for us not against us. We have allowed huge inequalities in wealth distribution to occur. All of these things are not inevitable. And that is what I mean when I speak of social progress. We have to work towards a fairer society that gives us all a fair stake in it. The net zero impossible dream hasn't helped either. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 12, 2022 13:21:52 GMT
Does make you wonder if the states have finally woke up to YOU CANT WIN if the people in situ decide to fight and fight and fight. Look at Afghan 20 years of ‘work’ and it took literally days to unravel all that work. They probably realised all the meddling cost billions then you probably gotta pay for the humanitarian cost after you left too. So going toe to toe with Russia will achieve what? Every sanction we make hurts the worlds economy more than it hurts Putin. The interest rate and collapsing currency won’t take food off his lovely plates but it will hurt his people but hey since when does a leader care about that. It’s a bit like the EFL sanctions on blues it doesn’t hurt who it is meant for. Gas up 160% petrol could be double by end of year. Wheat could rocket. How much other stuff will rise we were already having high inflation at this rate U.K. inflation could reach ridiculous levels. All for democracy. Most of us are lucky but how are folks on low income going to survive? How much will they care for democracy when their kids are going hungry? Not saying we should lie down and let Putin have what he wants but you can sense most will wonder how far do we let it go? We seem ok to let 100,000 Yemeni folk get slaughtered by Saudi? It all feels rather selective don’t it? Even now the Iraqis were called insurgents and the Ukrainians are called civilians. Ukraine leader tells them to take up arms and I am pretty sure other countries we blitzed were telling their people to do the same. We wonder why some of the world don’t like the west! All true. How I think of it is, we've got problems of our own, and should keep our beaks out. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 12, 2022 13:24:11 GMT
Does make you wonder if the states have finally woke up to YOU CANT WIN if the people in situ decide to fight and fight and fight. Look at Afghan 20 years of ‘work’ and it took literally days to unravel all that work. They probably realised all the meddling cost billions then you probably gotta pay for the humanitarian cost after you left too. So going toe to toe with Russia will achieve what? Every sanction we make hurts the worlds economy more than it hurts Putin. The interest rate and collapsing currency won’t take food off his lovely plates but it will hurt his people but hey since when does a leader care about that. It’s a bit like the EFL sanctions on blues it doesn’t hurt who it is meant for. Gas up 160% petrol could be double by end of year. Wheat could rocket. How much other stuff will rise we were already having high inflation at this rate U.K. inflation could reach ridiculous levels. All for democracy. Most of us are lucky but how are folks on low income going to survive? How much will they care for democracy when their kids are going hungry? Not saying we should lie down and let Putin have what he wants but you can sense most will wonder how far do we let it go? We seem ok to let 100,000 Yemeni folk get slaughtered by Saudi? It all feels rather selective don’t it? Even now the Iraqis were called insurgents and the Ukrainians are called civilians. Ukraine leader tells them to take up arms and I am pretty sure other countries we blitzed were telling their people to do the same. We wonder why some of the world don’t like the west! I think you are conflating the concepts of liberal democracy and capitalism. Most of the wars the West fights are not to defend liberal democracy but are imperialistic wars for financial gain. As far as the cost of living is concerned, we live in a consumerist society driven by greed. Driving down costs has led us to make some serious strategic mistakes by depending on others with no plan B. Reliance on China being the ultimate example, which will come back to bite us big time. We have let capitalism run rampant, unchecked, instead of controlling it to work for us not against us. We have allowed huge inequalities in wealth distribution to occur. All of these things are not inevitable. And that is what I mean when I speak of social progress. We have to work towards a fairer society that gives us all a fair stake in it. The net zero impossible dream hasn't helped either. Mostly agree, actually |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 26, 2022 13:56:38 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 26, 2022 20:28:00 GMT
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Post by stevo on Mar 27, 2022 6:37:26 GMT
I started following HIGHSTRUNG on twitter. He's posting some dodgy pictures and videos of Hunter Biden. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 27, 2022 11:57:35 GMT
I started following HIGHSTRUNG on twitter. He's posting some dodgy pictures and videos of Hunter Biden. I'm not on Twitter (wouldn't last 5 seconds). Crack pipes & underaged girls ? You have great way of saying the same things as myself, with a fraction of the words by the way |
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Post by stevo on Mar 27, 2022 14:29:45 GMT
I started following HIGHSTRUNG on twitter. He's posting some dodgy pictures and videos of Hunter Biden. I'm not on Twitter (wouldn't last 5 seconds). Crack pipes & underaged girls ? You have great way of saying the same things as myself, with a fraction of the words by the way If they're true,a certain former black president is gonna be highly embarrassed by it. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 27, 2022 15:01:52 GMT
I'm not on Twitter (wouldn't last 5 seconds). Crack pipes & underaged girls ? You have great way of saying the same things as myself, with a fraction of the words by the way If they're true,a certain former black president is gonna be highly embarrassed by it. My hopes aren't high |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 28, 2022 11:08:36 GMT
Rishi fills up his pride and joy at Sainsbury's
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Post by blueinblack on Mar 28, 2022 12:04:44 GMT
Rishi fills up his pride and joy at Sainsbury's Boring and tiresome. You are killing the forum, in fact you’ve killed it. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 28, 2022 12:09:33 GMT
Rishi fills up his pride and joy at Sainsbury's Boring and tiresome. You are killing the forum, in fact you’ve killed it. Yeah sure. Boring it may be, but you didn't find anything better to read & comment on. Neither yourself or anyone else has to read any of my posts. Or respond to them. |
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Post by expatjohn on Mar 28, 2022 13:58:05 GMT
In all honesty Tony, he has a strong point. These incessant videos are a complete nuisance.
Time to put an end to them. No more!
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 28, 2022 15:00:55 GMT
In all honesty Tony, he has a strong point. These incessant videos are a complete nuisance. Time to put an end to them. No more! OK. What's your view on the incessant, unprovoked pops at me, personally ? |
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Post by expatjohn on Mar 28, 2022 15:48:29 GMT
In all honesty Tony, he has a strong point. These incessant videos are a complete nuisance. Time to put an end to them. No more! OK. What's your view on the incessant, unprovoked pops at me, personally ? I think you reap what you sow. You do put your head above the parapet, so you must accept the bullets aimed at you. Can't say that I've seen much that goes overboard. For the sake of the forum, what you read, watch and believe is for you. The forum doesn't particularly want to know, and frankly, many dislike your views. Keep it off here now please. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 28, 2022 16:21:27 GMT
OK. What's your view on the incessant, unprovoked pops at me, personally ? I think you reap what you sow. You do put your head above the parapet, so you must accept the bullets aimed at you. Can't say that I've seen much that goes overboard. For the sake of the forum, what you read, watch and believe is for you. The forum doesn't particularly want to know, and frankly, many dislike your views. Keep it off here now please. Have you not. All acceptable is it. Good to know, I didn't think it would be, but OK. |
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Post by radavis on Mar 30, 2022 20:47:33 GMT
Putin has many admirers in the West. Many on the far right look up to him as a hero because he shares many of their traits. 1. He is an ultra nationalist. 2. He despises liberal democratic values. 3. He is homophobic. 4. He is transphobic. He opposes feminism and the concept of 5a. social justice. He despises the diversity we embrace in the West. We can do very little to stop what is happening in Ukraine. We are mostly powerless. However, what we can do is to oppose those amongst us who think like Putin. They must never be allowed to prevail and turn back the clock on 5b.social progress. Hmm. Starting to see what you mean. 1. I'm pretty nationalist myself. I call it patriotic. I've said previously, he could never be one of my guys, because I could never be one of his. Because I'm not Russian. I don't see anything wrong with a leader putting his people first. 2. Depends upon what you're talking about. These liberals don't tend to like democracy when the vote doesn't go their way. 3. No need for that 4. I watched a video of him a few months back. From what I remember he was astounded by the way the west seems all for young children choosing their gender. Pushing it even. That and other things. He seemed to be 'They can do what they want, but I think they're nuts' or words to that effect. 5a & b Probably with him there, depends upon the specifics. Social justice seems to me about giving preference to some, and social progress looks to me the exact opposite. Sorry, was that Johnson or Putin? |
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 30, 2022 20:59:54 GMT
Hmm. Starting to see what you mean. 1. I'm pretty nationalist myself. I call it patriotic. I've said previously, he could never be one of my guys, because I could never be one of his. Because I'm not Russian. I don't see anything wrong with a leader putting his people first. 2. Depends upon what you're talking about. These liberals don't tend to like democracy when the vote doesn't go their way. 3. No need for that 4. I watched a video of him a few months back. From what I remember he was astounded by the way the west seems all for young children choosing their gender. Pushing it even. That and other things. He seemed to be 'They can do what they want, but I think they're nuts' or words to that effect. 5a & b Probably with him there, depends upon the specifics. Social justice seems to me about giving preference to some, and social progress looks to me the exact opposite. Sorry, was that Johnson or Putin? Erm Putin |
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Good job you don't listen to propaganda. So going to get interesting, then. Fascists on the march (where to?). Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. Good Lord. That won't end well.
Good job you don't listen to propaganda. So going to get interesting, then. Fascists on the march (where to?). Russia prepares to use biological, chemical and probably nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. Good Lord. That won't end well.
