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Post by supacragg on Apr 9, 2024 20:09:50 GMT
Millwall 😳 this is not going to plan!
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Post by gammo on Apr 9, 2024 20:48:45 GMT
Apart from Millwall, not too bad. At one point we were 4 points adrift but then Preston remembered how to shoot- goal difference for Huddersfield took a little hit tonight.
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Post by TILTON on Apr 9, 2024 20:51:50 GMT
My predictions so far weren't bad, Millwall pulled off another of their fecking annoying 1-0 home wins.
Annoyed that Sheff Wed battled back and actually shocked at the Huddersfield collapse as I don't think Preston are that potent.
Shockingly a draw takes us out but we need the win, you'd have to be vexed to see us not have more desire than Cardiff as they are relying on a massive miracle to make 6th.
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Post by gammo on Apr 9, 2024 20:56:25 GMT
Don't want to get too ahead of ourselves but 2 wins this week could see us up to 15th - a fantastic incentive for the players 👍🏻
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Post by TILTON on Apr 9, 2024 20:57:09 GMT
Don't want to get too ahead of ourselves but 2 wins this week could see us up to 15th - a fantastic incentive for the players 👍🏻 Not being lynched by the fan base may be a good incentive too!!
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Post by BluenoseB on Apr 9, 2024 20:57:18 GMT
Still in our own hands. Again teams getting results against the "big" teams something we cant do.
Cardiff very up and down so hard to call tmoro. Just hope we up for it, and knowing a win can get us out bottom three should be extra incentive for the players, well you would think.
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Post by bubba on Apr 9, 2024 22:38:38 GMT
Can't believe Millwall pulled that off, apparently Leicester's performance a shadow of what they put on against us in the 2nd half, typical.
As for Cardiff, I'm a bit concerned by how a very large majority are predicting we'll win and they won't really be bothered. They won away at Coventry the game before last and whilst it's true that at the end of the season some teams with little to play for are half arsed, it's equally true that some teams with little to play for and the pressure off, turn in some of their best performances.
Another thing nagging me is a couple of months ago Dick and Dicken did one of their podcasts with Ryan Deeney and another chap speculating on the coming Summer transfer business. It was actually pretty good but I did say then that such hubris may be ill advised until we actually KNOW that we'll even be in this division and here we are with 5 games to go and it still very much in the balance.
Now lo and behold apparently Tom Wagner has intimated about our coming transfer spend this Summer. Don't get me wrong, it was hardly a secret to those paying attention but again it seems to be tempting fate, she's a harsh mistress and absolutely loves rewarding hubris wth a giant kick in the balls. I'm a superstitious old grump and things like this gnaw at me.
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Post by TILTON on Apr 13, 2024 11:26:57 GMT
Well last night was without doubt one MASSIVE blow!!
The fact we class Leicester as a free hit and Millwall and Plymouth then put in monumental battling wins says everything we need to know about what is wrong.
After about 10 years of relying on the inability of our opponents I think that once in a decade bigger total season will be what does us.
I can't see how less than 50 keeps you safe.
Stoke play Plymouth for starters. It's likely now the real battle is Blues, Sheffield Wed, Huddersfield and maybe Rovers, but now I have said this they will probably beat Leeds before we kick off!
With the Stoke/Plymouth scenario we are probably better off Stoke beating Sheffield or a draw being the next best option. Sheff Wed win today would be horrible, Huddersfield win and we are shopping at Miracles R Us!!!
Sheff Wed still have to play Rovers as well.
If the nightmare happens today and we also lose I am not sure how we get out of it. Expecting a shit side to win 3 on the spin is ridiculous!
What bothers me is we have had no manager bounce like the others despite giving ourselves 3 managers to get us a bounce.
As said I'm a huge believer in blaming managers but we have to accept it's the bloody players.
In reality Caddis day may have been better not happening as we been circling for so many miserable seasons may be better if went down, admin then got rid of the nucts who started this whole farce!!
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Post by TILTON on Apr 14, 2024 7:23:44 GMT
THE RUN IN EDIT!!!
Sheff Wed - 49 Points (A) Rovers - D (H) Albion - D (A) Sunderland - W Huddersfield - 48 Points (H) Swansea - W (H) Blues - D (A) Ipswich - L Plymouth - 50 Points (A) Stoke - L (A) Millwall - D (H) Hull - D Millwall - 52 Points (A) Sunderland - L (H) Plymouth - D (A) Swansea - D Rovers - 53 Points (H) Sheffield - D (H) Coventry - W (A) Leicester - L Stoke - 51 Points (H) Plymouth - W (A) Southampton - L (H) Bristol - D QPR - 51 Points (H) Preston - W (H) Leeds - L (A) Coventry - D BLUES - 50 Points (A) Rotherham - W (H) Huddersfield - D (H) Norwich - D
Still a few clashes of fighting teams, have done my edit I think we may have a much better chance now. Clearly showing up at Rotherham and Huddersfield is what will decide our season. We simply can't afford a no show. Ideally this weekend you'd like Sheffield and Huddersfield to lose and us to win which then gives us the cushion before Huddersfield trip! but hey why will that happen!!!
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Post by supacragg on Apr 14, 2024 7:30:02 GMT
THE RUN IN EDIT!!! Sheff Wed - 49 Points (A) Rovers - D (H) Albion - D (A) Sunderland - W Huddersfield - 48 Points (H) Swansea - W (H) Blues - D (A) Ipswich - L Plymouth - 50 Points (A) Stoke - L (A) Millwall - D (H) Hull - D Millwall - 52 Points (A) Sunderland - L (H) Plymouth - D (A) Swansea - D Rovers - 53 Points (H) Sheffield - D (H) Coventry - W (A) Leicester - L Stoke - 51 Points (H) Plymouth - W (A) Southampton - L (H) Bristol - D QPR - 51 Points (H) Preston - W (H) Leeds - L (A) Coventry - D BLUES - 50 Points (A) Rotherham - W (H) Huddersfield - D (H) Norwich - D Still a few clashes of fighting teams, have done my edit I think we may have a much better chance now. Clearly showing up at Rotherham and Huddersfield is what will decide our season. We simply can't afford a no show. Ideally this weekend you'd like Sheffield and Huddersfield to lose and us to win which then gives us the cushion before Huddersfield trip! but hey why will that happen!!! 24 games from the teams that make up the bottom 8 and you think there will only be 6 losses in total. I predict there will be more than that.
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Post by TILTON on Apr 14, 2024 7:49:38 GMT
Historically the teams fighting for survival will increase points hugely in the latter stages of the season.
9 of the 24 opposition have practically nothing to play for... 9 of the 24 are rival matches meaning all the teams are shit 3 of the final days opponents could have achieved promotion or be resting players for play offs.
How else do you explain Millwall and Plymouth beating Leicester back to back and losing to QPR recently. Who have thought Rovers win at Leeds? Well actually I backed it and got the scorer too.
During say October to January a lot of teams down there are just trying to not lose and grind results out and then when you get to this end of the season it's time to shit or get off the pot. That's when teams are having to throw caution to the wind.
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Post by gammo on Apr 14, 2024 10:52:00 GMT
The reality is, win the next three games, and we are safe.
Or
If Sheff Wed fails to beat Blackburn, we only need to win the next two games, and we are safe. Yes they could catch us up on points with a draw and two wins but they would need to better our goal difference by scoring at least 15 more goals than us.
Preston putting 4 past Huddersfield and us scoring 3 yesterday has given us a 7 goal cushion against Huddersfield - both of those results could be a huge factor in this run in.
Now (presuming we beat Rotherham), if Sheff Wed and Huddersfield both win their next game too, that means Blackburn will only be TWO points outside the bottom 3 with games against Coventry and Leicester still to play. Next weekends games/results could potentially have SEVEN teams all within TWO points of each other going into the final 2 games of the season - it's quite possible that Blues, Huddersfield AND Sheff Wed could ALL survive....how mad is that? 😲😲😲
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Post by TILTON on Apr 14, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
It's quite sad that we are not fully confident of beating Rotherham. I think the issue is we can't play well against teams who play steady low block style football. Leicester, Preston and Coventry attacked us and that created ability for us to break them down. Cardiff didn't care much for attacking, Rotherham probably won't either.
They've shown a bit of spirit in their last 4 ganes, it would be a disaster for our players to think this will be easy!
Now Rovers got that shock win they will see beating Sheffield as a confirmation of safety so they will have to be on. it. We are fortunate that is this week and not the week after because if they were to win then play Sheff Wed they'd be kicking their feet up.
It's not over because our away record is just the pits!
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Post by royalblue on Apr 14, 2024 17:46:54 GMT
It's quite sad that we are not fully confident of beating Rotherham. I think the issue is we can't play well against teams who play steady low block style football. Leicester, Preston and Coventry attacked us and that created ability for us to break them down. Cardiff didn't care much for attacking, Rotherham probably won't either. They've shown a bit of spirit in their last 4 ganes, it would be a disaster for our players to think this will be easy! Now Rovers got that shock win they will see beating Sheffield as a confirmation of safety so they will have to be on. it. We are fortunate that is this week and not the week after because if they were to win then play Sheff Wed they'd be kicking their feet up. It's not over because our away record is just the pits!This. It is very far from over and as you say Rotherham will not roll over for us. The team have shown they can perform but our away form is awful. We simply have to find a way to win. Both Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday you would expect to win their next games. We fail to win and it is out of our hands again. Possession is nine tenths of the law but being Blues, it will be torture right to the end. 🫣
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Post by TILTON on Apr 21, 2024 17:49:45 GMT
RUN IN EDIT AGAIN!!
Sheff Wed - 51 Points (H) Albion - D (A) Sunderland - W Huddersfield - 45 Points (H) Blues - D (A) Ipswich - L Plymouth - 52 Points (A) Millwall - W (H) Hull - D Rovers - 50 Points (H) Coventry - D (A) Leicester - L Stoke - 51 Points (A) Southampton - L (H) Bristol - D QPR - 51 Points (H) Leeds - L (A) Coventry - D BLUES - 48 Points (H) Huddersfield - D (H) Norwich - D
I would probably change these depending on Coventry midweek result because if they beat Hull they may be more on it against Rovers the weekend.
At present I feel us winning at Huddersfield would give us a chance but I simply can't see the win and I believe they may battle gamely to salvage pride and that would see them just dragging us down with them. That result impacts whether there would be any real gusto in our last game.
Plymouth will probably do Millwall which is the crucial one. Plymouth are our most likely fall guys, but we are now drinking in last chance saloon.
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Post by bubba on Apr 21, 2024 19:37:21 GMT
Not a bad prediction imo although you cite Plymouth as our most likely fall guy then predict them to get the most points which is a bit of a contrdiction. FWIW though I agree, I think they'll get at least 4 points from the last 2 games.
As said elsewhere because of havng to go to Ipswich last day I think Hudders are gone regardless of result next week so imo it's just one team left to join the two down and I believe that will be between ourselves, Wednesday and Blackburn. I'd rather Blckburn had won today but don't underestimate the difficulty of their two games or knowing that what it has done to their state of mind. Of course that does still require us to actually win a game and for medical professionals to be called in and ascertain which of our players have an actual pulse.
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Post by tonyhancock on Apr 21, 2024 19:41:52 GMT
RUN IN EDIT AGAIN!! Sheff Wed - 51 Points (H) Albion - D (A) Sunderland - W Huddersfield - 45 Points (H) Blues - D (A) Ipswich - L Plymouth - 52 Points (A) Millwall - W (H) Hull - D Rovers - 50 Points (H) Coventry - D (A) Leicester - L Stoke - 51 Points (A) Southampton - L (H) Bristol - D QPR - 51 Points (H) Leeds - L (A) Coventry - D BLUES - 48 Points (H) Huddersfield - D (H) Norwich - D I would probably change these depending on Coventry midweek result because if they beat Hull they may be more on it against Rovers the weekend. At present I feel us winning at Huddersfield would give us a chance but I simply can't see the win and I believe they may battle gamely to salvage pride and that would see them just dragging us down with them. That result impacts whether there would be any real gusto in our last game. Plymouth will probably do Millwall which is the crucial one. Plymouth are our most likely fall guys, but we are now drinking in last chance saloon. Not far out, I'd say
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Post by gammo on Apr 22, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
Great result tonight (Leeds winning) as it keeps Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton interest going up until the last game of the season.
Ideally, a Southampton win tomorrow night would put the top 4 all within just 4 points of each other so again keeping those at the top pushing for wins (QPR face Leeds Friday, Southampton play Stoke, Leicester last game is against Blackburn, Ipswich last game is against Huddersfield).
In the Coventry v Hull game, both can still make the play offs (although realistically, Hull wont catch West Brom on goal average and would have to win all three but face Ipswich in one of those) so West Brom can still be caught and NEED to win one more game who they face Sheff Wed next. For Blues, we need a Coventry win just so it keeps them going for a playoff place (Coventry next game is then Blackburn). The ideal scenario is Coventry to beat Hull and Blackburn to keep their play-off hopes alive with Norwich winning v Swansea, too. Next week, Ipswich beating Coventry on the Tuesday would keep Ipswich going for the title, ruling Coventry out of the play offs but confirming Norwich involvement (which hopefully would mean them resting players for their final game v us).
As for us, we just need the players to turn up and win an away game to start of with and with other results hopefully going our way, we could be facing a weakened Norwich team in front of a loud, passionate, St Andrews crowd knowing a win would be enough.
Come on lads, this is YOUR moment to deliver the goods. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Post by gammo on Apr 23, 2024 21:01:27 GMT
Well, Southampton well and truly fcuked that up and in doing so will now help Stoke by fielding a weakened team for the last two games as they can't go up automatically and they can't be caught for the playoffs 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
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Post by TILTON on Apr 23, 2024 22:29:46 GMT
I think Stoke could cop it as being thrashed they'll want to turn that feeling around.
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Post by gammo on Apr 24, 2024 19:21:49 GMT
Coventry have dropped Wright and Simms - think thats them giving up on a play off place then 🙁
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Post by cnote on Apr 24, 2024 19:40:02 GMT
2-1 to Hull, at mo but Coventry, are not out of it yet.
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Post by gammo on Apr 24, 2024 19:44:19 GMT
We need them to win - would give them the fight for the Blackburn game.
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Post by bubba on Apr 24, 2024 20:01:28 GMT
We need them to win - would give them the fight for the Blackburn game.
It seems very unlikely, been all Hull, Robins set them up like a Rowett side to defend all game. No O'Hare, not even on bench, no Wright, no Simms though he's come on now.
You all know the score, things are conspiring against us regardless of us playing shit.
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Post by bubba on Apr 24, 2024 20:45:55 GMT
Yeah Cov players look like everything they had left for the season went into the cup game. Based on their current form and tonight, Blackburn will beat them and so will QPR last day, we're going to be running out of teams we can mathematically catch.
Changed my mind now, no longer is Huddersfield must not lose, we have to win, with these players and gung ho Rowett, might as well just get used to it, we are so down.
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Post by gammo on Apr 24, 2024 21:07:34 GMT
Coventry can mathematically still make the playoffs although that would mean both Hill and Norwich losing both of their last games each as well as Coventry winning all three of theirs - whilst there's still hope blah blah blah.
Norwich know that with Hull facing a rested Ipswich side, the likely hood is that they just need to beat Swansea Saturday and their place in the playoffs is secure. Coventry won't know the outcome of their chances until towards the end of their game with Blackburn so we need a bit of luck from them.
As you say, bubba, Saturday is a must win for us. I'd rather go out of this league kicking and screaming than with a whimper - losing 1-0 to a goal scored in the first 10 minutes will not be acceptable.....it HAS to be an onslaught at their goal from the first minute for the full ninety.
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Post by royalblue on Apr 24, 2024 21:34:15 GMT
The reality is that we could be down on Saturday if we don't win and results go against us. And results going against us has been a consistent feature since January, so let's not assume that is not a possibility. Blackburn's home form has not been great under Eustace but it is hard to see Coventry having much fight in them having seen their season effectively ended in the last four days. The only slight silver lining is it does put some pressure on Albion to get a result at Sheffield Wednesday and Millwall's home form since their change of manager has been impressive. This has to have a motivating effect hopefully but the same is true for Huddersfield. Our away form is shocking and I suspect the game will be tight with so much at stake. Let's hope they collapse as they did against Swansea.
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Post by gammo on Apr 26, 2024 19:28:28 GMT
QPR winning 2-0 against Leeds - what is it with other bloody results going against us?
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Post by gammo on Apr 26, 2024 20:42:13 GMT
Leicester getting promoted tonight - their Blackburn game may be nothing more than a trophy game. Hopefully Ipswich can win their two games in hand.
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Post by bubba on Apr 26, 2024 21:10:42 GMT
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things just keep on conspiring ------- --
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