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Post by bubba on Dec 23, 2023 13:03:45 GMT
Yep, yet again another player linked that doesn't cover ANY of our positions in most pressing need, Yoda says the bullshit is strong in this one. We need a proper striker bubbs who would you go for. a loan and the sky is the limit but a permeant would need a bargain. Over to you bubbs 😊💙💙💙
I said I wasn't going to do any suggestions this window but there were a few I mentioned in the Summer who may still be worthwhile considering. Obafemi at Burnley has had injury niggles on and off but not getting a look in there regardless and didn't last season either. Not the biggest but has led the line on his own before successfully nd a loan looks very achievable.
Jebbison at the blades another who's struggled with unspecified fitness issues but again regardless seems to have slippeed right down the pecking order there. Also out of contract in the Summer and rumours the blades don't much care if he leaves. Had a very successful short term div one loan but has struggled for goals at this level. However he looks like one that has all the tools needed and good physicality too and is just waiting to find the right home.
David Fofana went out to Germany on loan, it hasn't worked out at all and all parties may be up for ending it early and him going elsewhere. Might seem ambitious but after Diallo went to Sunderland last season I'm personally raising the bar pretty high as to what is possible now.
One that somebody else mentioned (and apologies for not remembering who it was) who I was aware of but hadn't seen play (still haven't) is Arsenal youngster Biereth on loan to Motherwell where he's been having a decent season it seems, but as said can't offer any insights other than he's scoring, has Arsenal pedigree.
Personally a potentially very low fee deal, possibly with full deferment on paying for Jebbison looks a gift horse, even if he only ended up being back up next season as a worst case scenario, Obafemi seems the most 'sure thing' with his record in this division whilst Fofana potentially the highest ceiling.
The statistcs led approach may throw up someone completely unknown from a more obscure league, I'm just throwing these three (plus one) out there as I'd suggested them previously and arguably they may actually be more attainable now for different reasons. My own personal view is that I'm not aware of anything in the lower two divisions that jumps out at me as an obvious target for us up front.
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Post by bertieauld on Dec 23, 2023 13:45:20 GMT
We need a proper striker bubbs who would you go for. a loan and the sky is the limit but a permeant would need a bargain. Over to you bubbs 😊💙💙💙
I said I wasn't going to do any suggestions this window but there were a few I mentioned in the Summer who may still be worthwhile considering. Obafemi at Burnley has had injury niggles on and off but not getting a look in there regardless and didn't last season either. Not the biggest but has led the line on his own before successfully nd a loan looks very achievable.
Jebbison at the blades another who's struggled with unspecified fitness issues but again regardless seems to have slippeed right down the pecking order there. Also out of contract in the Summer and rumours the blades don't much care if he leaves. Had a very successful short term div one loan but has struggled for goals at this level. However he looks like one that has all the tools needed and good physicality too and is just waiting to find the right home.
David Fofana went out to Germany on loan, it hasn't worked out at all and all parties may be up for ending it early and him going elsewhere. Might seem ambitious but after Diallo went to Sunderland last season I'm personally raising the bar pretty high as to what is possible now.
One that somebody else mentioned (and apologies for not remembering who it was) who I was aware of but hadn't seen play (still haven't) is Arsenal youngster Biereth on loan to Motherwell where he's been having a decent season it seems, but as said can't offer any insights other than he's scoring, has Arsenal pedigree.
Personally a potentially very low fee deal, possibly with full deferment on paying for Jebbison looks a gift horse, even if he only ended up being back up next season as a worst case scenario, Obafemi seems the most 'sure thing' with his record in this division whilst Fofana potentially the highest ceiling.
The statistcs led approach may throw up someone completely unknown from a more obscure league, I'm just throwing these three (plus one) out there as I'd suggested them previously and arguably they may actually be more attainable now for different reasons. My own personal view is that I'm not aware of anything in the lower two divisions that jumps out at me as an obvious target for us up front.
Thanks bubbs 💙, I think Obafemi would be my go to and my type of striker 💙💙 and would work well with stanfield if he is still here and for what it is worth, he will be.
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Post by TILTON on Dec 24, 2023 10:35:08 GMT
Anyone wondering now JJ is kicking it that we will get a bid for him?
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Post by bubba on Dec 24, 2023 10:46:45 GMT
Anyone wondering now JJ is kicking it that we will get a bid for him? I really think Leicester could put in sizeable bid. There's been interest previously from them and he scored two against them and showed up well, I think if there was interest before that game will have only heightened it and if not in January certainly in the Summer can see it.
As for the prem, who knows? There's probably 6 or 7 clubs he's not done enough to pique their interest yet and some of the others will be well stocked but there's always going to be an appetite for young home grown players because of the quotas clubs need to fill. There won't be a long list of players of his age and qualty that aren't already contracted to top flight clubs and so fairly low hanging fruit for the lower half of the prem to try and pick.
So yeah I think it's almost inevitable, but he's under contract and these owners won't feel pressured to sell him so perhaps the question should be at what price point does it become a deal blues should execute? Should we resist any offer in January and only consider dealing in the Summer or tie him down to an even longer deal and just say he's going nowhere?
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Post by bubba on Dec 24, 2023 10:50:46 GMT
FWIW I'd say for a full Welsh interntional with lots of potential to keep improvng nothing less than 8 figures (over 10 million) should even be given any thought at all, he's still only 19 years old.
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Post by TILTON on Dec 24, 2023 10:52:40 GMT
Hoping the change of manager at Sunderland will encourage Jobe to want the Spurs move sooner and they'll want at least £15m to sell so early. I believe we are in the region of 30%+ on him. If that happens we can dig in more over JJ
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Post by bertieauld on Dec 24, 2023 11:06:45 GMT
before this season I thought £5 million plus now I agree with bubbs over £ 10 million.
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Post by bubba on Dec 24, 2023 11:16:57 GMT
Hoping the change of manager at Sunderland will encourage Jobe to want the Spurs move sooner and they'll want at least £15m to sell so early. I believe we are in the region of 30%+ on him. If that happens we can dig in more over JJ That would certainly help with January IF it wasn't in the last few days. The shame of it is that the clubs we sold Jude and Jobe to will both make substantially more from the players than blues ever will.
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Post by TILTON on Jan 8, 2024 13:35:17 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done!
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Post by honkybluenose on Jan 8, 2024 13:51:27 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done! Does anyone know if we are able to send Burke and /or Aiwu back?
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Post by blueshark on Jan 8, 2024 14:24:29 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done! Agree with all that. Tempted to keep Aiwu as cover though.
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Post by bubba on Jan 8, 2024 14:56:40 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done! Does anyone know if we are able to send Burke and /or Aiwu back?
Once again it depends on the terms of the loan agreed. A lot are under the impression all thre parties (both clubs and player) have to agree, not true, if a club loaning a player out insist on a recall clase then they don't need either other party to agree. Leeds have just returned Djed Spence which has been reported as entirely their decision, so clearly they had a break clause inserted themselves.
Aiwu obviously on a loan with an option to buy and still a couple of years on his contract with his parent club. If we were to inform them we had no intention of purchasing, it's likely all 3 parties would in that case seek to end the loan because it makes sensse for his parent club to set him up wth an alternate that may be willing to pay out for him aswell as Aiwu getting more playing opportnities. I suspect Mowbray wants to see him up close first but ending the loan will be less attractive to his parent club the deeper into the window we get and the chances of lining him up an alternative club lessen.
Burke is out favour and out of contract with his parent club in the Summer, as such I think it is overwhelmingly likely they wouldn't have agreed to any break clause for blues. They have got his wages off the books and I can see no incentive for them agreeing to an early termination in his loan agreement. The sole possible reason I can imagine is if he had been out of this world for us, they may have thought it prudent to insert a recall option and get some kind of fee. However even if they did, the fact is he hasn't and nobody is going to be beating a path to his agent's door, we're completely stuck with him until the Summer imo.
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Post by bubba on Jan 8, 2024 15:28:21 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done! Have seen Carlton Palmer suggest we might be a preferred destination for Diallo because of Mowbray and if we were top half I could buy into it but 5th from bottom I just can't see it, we're sadly just not an attractive proposition for top young prem loanees atm imho.
Che apparently is on the dingles radar, even if he weren't I fear we wouldn't stretch to a wage that would satisfy him.
Wasn't Lingard on 150k/week at his last club? I realise he's on nothing atm but honestly don't think he'd bother for even triple the most we could or would offer him, admire the ambition but really can't see that.
If I'm wrong on any of em fair play and realise you're on about using a chunk of the potential JJ fee but I just don't see us breaking the bank like that so as we can finish top half but outside the play offs, it would just be vanity. Far better to invest in a few good players on more reasonable wages and save the blockbuster type deals for next season.
Caishin at Derby is excellent, I'm personally less impressed by Bird. Brighton loanee Leonard at Northampton is coveted by several championship clubs and exactly what we should be targeting. Keeper I think there's actually a lot of options, permanent and on loan but not even certain we'll address now although think Ruddy's been questionable regardless of who the manager has been this season.
Have been watching Devante Cole (son of Andy) this morning and tbh think I may have previously underestimated him. Pacy, mobile and he can finish, bigger than his dad too. Been a real journeyman but watching him today looks like a real late bloomer (he's 28) and is putting it all together now. Let me put it this way, watching him I'd say if Mowbray had had him at Sunderland he'd still be manager there.
If JJ don't go don't know as we'll be doing much but for me I think address the spine of the team still because some of the issues Rooney had haven't gone away and spend money on permanent signings where possible because I just don't see us being at the head of the queue for the best available loan players.
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Post by Dirty White Slip-on on Jan 8, 2024 15:38:58 GMT
Diallo twitted no to Blues, socials for you.....
Transfer window depends on JJ and the fee if he goes
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Post by choc on Jan 8, 2024 16:28:13 GMT
Time to put this baby back up. Times have changed quite a bit since. I believe Mowbray will get some backing but we no longer need 9 players Loan for Diallo is not ridiculous. Offer Southampton a deal on Adams £1m now and £2m paid over 3 years with 50% profit if we sell again, would waiver our sell on too. I don't think many EPL clubs will come knocking. Offer Lingard 6 months pay as you play. Terminate Burke and Aiwu, give Leeds take it or leave it £250k for Drameh this frees up loads of loan room, would definitely look at Beadle loan and competition at centre back. Clear out some rubbish, job done! Have seen Carlton Palmer suggest we might be a preferred destination for Diallo because of Mowbray and if we were top half I could buy into it but 5th from bottom I just can't see it, we're sadly just not an attractive proposition for top young prem loanees atm imho.
Che apparently is on the dingles radar, even if he weren't I fear we wouldn't stretch to a wage that would satisfy him.
Wasn't Lingard on 150k/week at his last club? I realise he's on nothing atm but honestly don't think he'd bother for even triple the most we could or would offer him, admire the ambition but really can't see that.
If I'm wrong on any of em fair play and realise you're on about using a chunk of the potential JJ fee but I just don't see us breaking the bank like that so as we can finish top half but outside the play offs, it would just be vanity. Far better to invest in a few good players on more reasonable wages and save the blockbuster type deals for next season.
Caishin at Derby is excellent, I'm personally less impressed by Bird. Brighton loanee Leonard at Northampton is coveted by several championship clubs and exactly what we should be targeting. Keeper I think there's actually a lot of options, permanent and on loan but not even certain we'll address now although think Ruddy's been questionable regardless of who the manager has been this season.
Have been watching Devante Cole (son of Andy) this morning and tbh think I may have previously underestimated him. Pacy, mobile and he can finish, bigger than his dad too. Been a real journeyman but watching him today looks like a real late bloomer (he's 28) and is putting it all together now. Let me put it this way, watching him I'd say if Mowbray had had him at Sunderland he'd still be manager there.
If JJ don't go don't know as we'll be doing much but for me I think address the spine of the team still because some of the issues Rooney had haven't gone away and spend money on permanent signings where possible because I just don't see us being at the head of the queue for the best available loan players.
Yes and keep away from the loan system as much as possible. Just use it when absolutely needed. Quality football teams aren't built with numerus loans.
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Post by royalblue on Jan 8, 2024 16:59:48 GMT
I would have thought transfer targets would have been identified by the beginning of the month and been agreed if not specified by Rooney. It will be interesting to see who we do sign now. I agree with Bubba that the spine of the side is the priority. A decent striker has long been my wish but we are not in great place to get one. Money to spend looks like it requires the JJ deal to go ahead to fund a permanent signing. We are not going to attract much of a promising loan signing given the position we are in. A central midfielder, centre back and goalkeeper would be welcome but I am more confident now we won’t be involved in a relegation dog fight so am happy to wait until the summer when much better business can be done. That said we also must not be too complacent either. There is life in the teams below us and nothing can be taken for granted.
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Post by bubba on Jan 8, 2024 19:04:05 GMT
Yes and keep away from the loan system as much as possible. Just use it when absolutely needed. Quality football teams aren't built with numerus loans.
Well this should be music to your ears then. Reading an old interview with Mowbray yesterday and he was asked about loan players and generally his attitude is he'd rather be making his club's youngsters better than other club's youngsters.
Obviously he won't cut his nose off though, when it comes to special players like Diallo he's obviously happy to use them. Remember he had a few very goodd ones at Blackburn too, Branthwaite, Van Hecke, Harvey Elliott and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch more.
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Post by choc on Jan 8, 2024 21:32:50 GMT
Yes and keep away from the loan system as much as possible. Just use it when absolutely needed. Quality football teams aren't built with numerus loans.
Well this should be music to your ears then. Reading an old interview with Mowbray yesterday and he was asked about loan players and generally his attitude is he'd rather be making his club's youngsters better than other club's youngsters.
Obviously he won't cut his nose off though, when it comes to special players like Diallo he's obviously happy to use them. Remember he had a few very goodd ones at Blackburn too, Branthwaite, Van Hecke, Harvey Elliott and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch more.
I'm warming to him already 😁
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Post by cnote on Jan 9, 2024 6:11:28 GMT
Beadle, gone to Sheff w.
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Post by sapfo on Jan 9, 2024 8:20:08 GMT
Spurs are looking to send Djed Spence out again. He’s training with the under 21s. Would you take a risk? A bad attitude, but won’t be the first time ever turned a player.
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Post by bubba on Jan 9, 2024 8:26:47 GMT
No.
Laird wll be back in 3 weeks, we've also got Drameh waiting on us opting to purchase who'd think twice if that happened not to mention there are now very public concerns regarding Spence's character and professionalism and him being a disruptive/poor influence on squads, not to mention he'll be on huge money, oh and it's not a position we're struggling in compared to others.
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Post by TILTON on Jan 9, 2024 11:11:28 GMT
Change of manager has probably cost us half the month. I dare say Mowbray may have to lean on giving everyone a clean slate etc
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Post by BluenoseB on Jan 9, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
Change of manager has probably cost us half the month. I dare say Mowbray may have to lean on giving everyone a clean slate etc Still think ther try for a striker more than likely a loan one. Enough in this squad to keep us up.
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Post by dutchblue on Jan 9, 2024 11:18:51 GMT
Yeah, but add to that if anyone has a big black book of contacts and an excellent knowledge of the sort of player who will slot right in at this level, it is ™. On the downside, I agree with you 100% - he has probably not got a lot of knowledge of what he is inheriting, so who needs shipping out and who we desperately need to hold onto. Maybe.
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Post by royalblue on Jan 9, 2024 11:25:39 GMT
Spurs are looking to send Djed Spence out again. He’s training with the under 21s. Would you take a risk? A bad attitude, but won’t be the first time ever turned a player. Rumour on X that he is going Genoa as a make weigh in a swap deal for Radu Dragusin.
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Post by Professor Frink on Jan 9, 2024 12:03:22 GMT
I also dont think there is a huge need to do major surgery on this squad. Thats a job for the summer.
maybe convert Drameh to a perm, send Burke back to the nearest donkey sanctuary and maybe a no 8 type midfielder and another striker on loan would be nice.
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Post by bubba on Jan 9, 2024 14:12:46 GMT
Change of manager has probably cost us half the month. I dare say Mowbray may have to lean on giving everyone a clean slate etc I'm actually not expecting us to sign anyone permanent or on loan until after the Stoke game so any and all business we do will likely happen in the last 9 or 10 days of January. I include any JJ deal in that since Atlanta seem intent on raisng their offer by a thousand quid each time. Trouble is if they don't agree a deal until the last few days of the window that's of significantly less use to us in being able to spend it or targets may have by then gone elsewhere.
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Post by choc on Jan 9, 2024 14:23:06 GMT
Change of manager has probably cost us half the month. I dare say Mowbray may have to lean on giving everyone a clean slate etc I'm actually not expecting us to sign anyone permanent or on loan until after the Stoke game so any and all business we do will likely happen in the last 9 or 10 days of January. I include any JJ deal in that since Atlanta seem intent on raisng their offer by a thousand quid each time. Trouble is if they don't agree a deal until the last few days of the window that's of significantly less use to us in being able to spend it or targets may have by then gone elsewhere. We should be offering Atlanta a take it or leave it deal then if they don't accept, cut the phone line.
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Post by bubba on Jan 9, 2024 14:31:50 GMT
Agreed, I'd go as low as 6.5 million with add ons and a sell on and no lower and put a cut off date on it of for argument's sake the 22nd and tell them (and mean it) the price goes up 500k per day after that.
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Post by bubba on Jan 9, 2024 14:35:28 GMT
Ronan Hale remember him?
Apparently Blackpool, Portsmouth, Derby, Bolton, Peterborough and Wrexham are all trailing him with a view to signing this month.
Suffered from homesickness and perhaps the wrong mentality when with us but there was always the feeling he was one that could come back to haunt us too when he matured, will watch this one wth interest.
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