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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 23:06:48 GMT
To be honest there needs to be compromise and although it has some elements of May deal there is still more out out than her associate membership. Yes he has given up fisheries etc by the looks of it there must be a point after all this time to find a compromise on both sides. It's not brilliant but another 3 years would get us where?
A second referendum gets you nowhere and it ensues a farce because if they is 52 to 48 remain then the leavers just say best of 3 etc. What stands out for me is if it was close the other way would remain have said, that was close lets go again?
I myself personally would have moved on. Yeah farage would never stop but hey thats farage.
Looking at what we have on the table it's a damn lot more than it looked 3 months ago because EU were so sure of themselves they didn't really care to speak. It's a shame he didn't take the job instead of May.
Labour could have made a real fist of this if they ditched that vile man Corbyn in 2017.
The vote is indicative so even id it loses it loses by so little I dare say they can vote a few times with added debate.
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Post by cassano on Oct 18, 2019 5:21:14 GMT
Just sit back and look forward to milk and honey
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 6:11:17 GMT
Well when we get through the choppy waters if there is milk and honey we won’t have to share any of it.
When you see the project fear stuff blown out the water then those have been proven as lies so what was the agenda?
There was always going to be stuff we give up and a border in the sea is not a border in Ireland or a backstop and it does not threaten the peace agreement. I think DUP are just playing hardball to make sure their country becomes quite rich on the back of this.
Not sure why a population of not much more than greater Birmingham should get a say every four years but that’s one hell of a compromise too.
Sadly not everyone wants a compromise and even now labour are moaning about workers rights but if anyone thinks the government will get away with shafting the workforce in any new legislation they have another thing coming because that’s what elections are for.
It just feels like the anti no deal faction in parliament are actually anti anything but remain.
The biggest bones of contention over last few years was free trade and backstop they were the two major blockers.
Boris has a solution for both no border in Ireland and free trade plus the chance to trade with the world with a few limitations I guess.
If it’s a done deal Saturday we can all get on with life and blues getting hammered
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 8:26:27 GMT
To be honest there needs to be compromise and although it has some elements of May deal there is still more out out than her associate membership. Yes he has given up fisheries etc by the looks of it there must be a point after all this time to find a compromise on both sides. It's not brilliant but another 3 years would get us where? A second referendum gets you nowhere and it ensues a farce because if they is 52 to 48 remain then the leavers just say best of 3 etc. What stands out for me is if it was close the other way would remain have said, that was close lets go again? I myself personally would have moved on. Yeah farage would never stop but hey thats farage. Looking at what we have on the table it's a damn lot more than it looked 3 months ago because EU were so sure of themselves they didn't really care to speak. It's a shame he didn't take the job instead of May. Labour could have made a real fist of this if they ditched that vile man Corbyn in 2017. The vote is indicative so even id it loses it loses by so little I dare say they can vote a few times with added debate. Yeah, the Referendum was indicative as well - but if you go against that it's undemocratic, apparently. Double standards.
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Post by cassano on Oct 18, 2019 8:28:18 GMT
Blues won’t get hammered and I can’t wait for us to make our own laws. I don’t think we’ve made one for about 50 years isn’t it? Wondering what the first own law might be but it’s definitely going to help ordinary people have better lives that’s for certain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 8:29:25 GMT
The thing is though it isnt over and done with. All this stage is agreeing the Withdrawal agreement...the settling of the tab so to speak....
weve got the torturous part of an actual trade arrangement to do next- if we thought the bickering was bad now- weve got 5-10 years of this to come.
I would be confident if our government actually had a strategy for this country and the competence to actually negotiate a competent trade deal. We are going to have our pants pulled down when we go into proper trade talks with the EU, US, Japan and China
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 8:34:42 GMT
The most worrying aspect of this is the government trying to hurry through any old deal on the back of people having Brexit Fatigue.
If we were a sensible country with rational people we would be asking our MPs to scrutinise the detail of what we are signing upto. If i was a brexiteer id be asking exactly what does this deliver- and more importantly what it doesnt...
more haste less speed and all that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 8:42:18 GMT
I think the haste is caused by the 11th hour scenario and to be honest that did prove farage right that they would do an 11th hour because EU are well known for it.
Let’s get back to Dong ball lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 13:45:51 GMT
The most worrying aspect of this is the government trying to hurry through any old deal on the back of people having Brexit Fatigue. If we were a sensible country with rational people we would be asking our MPs to scrutinise the detail of what we are signing upto. If i was a brexiteer id be asking exactly what does this deliver- and more importantly what it doesnt... more haste less speed and all that Well that would be a case of using our head to make the decision, whereas most people (51.9%) voted with their (black) hearts.
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Post by brightside on Oct 18, 2019 14:10:21 GMT
As one of the 52% I assure you Will that my very educated head and experience of dealing with the regulative nonsense and straight jacket that the EU places on our country at a significant net cost to us was my reason. Nothing to do with your nonsense innuendo. And a Referendum is not indicative. Retainers need to stop treating leavers as some kind of racists or thick. It is insulting and disingenuous. Just like ignoring the result of a referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 14:28:29 GMT
As one of the 52% I assure you Will that my very educated head and experience of dealing with the regulative nonsense and straight jacket that the EU places on our country at a significant net cost to us was my reason. Nothing to do with your nonsense innuendo. And a Referendum is not indicative. Retainers need to stop treating leavers as some kind of racists or thick. It is insulting and disingenuous. Just like ignoring the result of a referendum. Don’t take it personally Brighters! If one can’t have a laugh about this disaster, then one is going to end up crying! I think your analysis is wrong though - there’s a difference between embracing laws designed to protect workers and the environment, and finding yourselves in a straight jacket. I’m afraid that when Boris, Rees-Mogg et al start using their “new found freedom” to start dismantling all those “awfully restrictive” labour and environmental laws, then a lot of those who voted leave will start realising the meaning of the the phrase “be careful what you wish for”!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:00:56 GMT
If anyone thinks any government can just squash workers rights in the UK then you need to give your head a wobble.
Even if they dared to think about it the Tories would be out and replaced by Labour. The fact the Tories recently have started to realise the many are now paying good tax amounts and the push for living wage is also good to see.
What people need to get is there will be almost mirrored replacement laws in the uk across the board because any abuse of workers rights or human rights that don’t at least in general fit the old ways they will be slated for it.
I still also thoroughly view leaving as better for the uk because our nations capitalist consumption of goods and services is very high for the size of population, we also seem to have made massive inroads in volumes of employment per adult in the country as a comparison.
Leavers don’t fear change and no amount of scaremongering will wash. People only use the 350m bus as an example of leave lies even though it’s already been delivered before we realise any change but when you break down hammonds big list of doom for immediately after vote, 6 months, 12 months etc only the weak pound is highlighted as right in reality.
The IMF climbed down Bank of England climbed down
Even this very week you have Aldi promised 15bn investment. There are examples of companies abandoning uk but just as many others are investing. Yes it is in London mostly but hey that’s the same n or out of EU. No HS2 either!!!
I was told
Recession Depression Deflation House pricing crash Millions unemployed Etc etc
But hey I been unemployed and made redundant 4 times whilst we have been in Europe and we have had high mortgage rates etc
The reality is stock market crashes will continue because it’s a boom and bust culture and recession was invented not long after money.
Yes it’s some choppy waters initially but long term it will be all good.
We are supposed to be a nation used to bouncing back.
The reality is this won’t affect everyday life for the majority
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 16:45:23 GMT
OK, so if by staying in the EU we’re able to control our own currency (no Euro), control our own borders (no Schengen), allow our Parliament to “regain” sovereignty (even though everyone on the Leave side is squealing because Parliament has been doing precisely that!) and the UK’s politicians are going to keep the labour and environment laws because they fear a revolt from the voters if they dismantle them ... ... THEN WHY, PRECISELY, ARE WE LEAVING THE EU AND ITS FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT FOR OUR COUNTRYMEN, ITS TRADE DEAL WITH THE OTHER 27 MEMBERS, AND ITS TRADE DEALS WITH DOZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES OUTSIDE THE EU? ? FFS, THIS IS MADNESS! Let’s hope these choppy waters don’t wash you or me or our loved ones overboard eh?
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