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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 14:03:44 GMT
I was guessing from the emoji you were giving it some thought. No I was confused by your previous post that had no logic to the subject matter of the 9/11 thread. 😕
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Post by cnote on Oct 3, 2023 14:25:49 GMT
Building 7 was "pulled" Larry Silverstein made the call to "pull it and watch the building collapse" conveinent in the months leading up to 9/11 that the insurance policy was updated to cover terrorist attacks like he was told as the building owner that it was a terrorist target so there was advanced knowledge may not as much as a known date. So. It's very easy to find pictures and film of tall buildings which have burned out to the shell, as my examples above. The don't fall down at all, let alone in installments, and within their own footprint. I would describe the state of WTC7 as having a few fires in it, as opposed to being on fire. We were initially told it was the 'heat' from the fire, which weakened (in the most convenient way) the metal structure. Now we have the well insured owner, who was well out of the way at the time, as was his family, telling us it was pulled (necessarily of course) which means controlled explosions, as what it looked like. So one way or another there's some Billy Bullshit, both explanations cannot be true. Which means more effort going into planning and planting the explosives, than putting out the fire (or starting it). Then of course there's the famous BBC reporter telling us the tower had 'collapsed', whilst it was still standing in the background. WTC7 collapsed due to being weakened in the attack on buildings just a 'few' hundred yards away. What was in there ? Only a secret CIA office (with now 'lost' documents, no doubt) www.cbsnews.com/news/report-cia-lost-office-in-wtc/What happened after ? Oh more government control, the Patriot act, and the invasion of Iraq, and the disposal of Saddam Hussein, who was sitting on a shit load of oil, and had rejected the USD hegemony. Was he involved in 911 ? Oh not in the slightest. There was however, a lot of money to be made from the war on terror (no-one in particular) What about this Osama Bin Laden guy, he could have clarified a few issues, what was his version ? His version is at the bottom of the sea. He wasn't going to be allowed to give his version Jesus wept. rumble.com/v3htr40-somebody-on-the-satanic-911-attack-team-fcked-up-big-time-by-putting-out.htmlBin Laden’s family and the Bush Family were very close business associates. It’s one of the reasons why it took forever to find him. I didn’t buy into the official line he was killed and the body dumped at sea. Do you really believe America would give up the opportunity to have him on trial?
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 14:39:36 GMT
I was guessing from the emoji you were giving it some thought. No I was confused by your previous post that had no logic to the subject matter of the 9/11 thread. 😕 Read it again, then maybe answer the question (with words)
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 14:46:39 GMT
So. It's very easy to find pictures and film of tall buildings which have burned out to the shell, as my examples above. The don't fall down at all, let alone in installments, and within their own footprint. I would describe the state of WTC7 as having a few fires in it, as opposed to being on fire. We were initially told it was the 'heat' from the fire, which weakened (in the most convenient way) the metal structure. Now we have the well insured owner, who was well out of the way at the time, as was his family, telling us it was pulled (necessarily of course) which means controlled explosions, as what it looked like. So one way or another there's some Billy Bullshit, both explanations cannot be true. Which means more effort going into planning and planting the explosives, than putting out the fire (or starting it). Then of course there's the famous BBC reporter telling us the tower had 'collapsed', whilst it was still standing in the background. WTC7 collapsed due to being weakened in the attack on buildings just a 'few' hundred yards away. What was in there ? Only a secret CIA office (with now 'lost' documents, no doubt) www.cbsnews.com/news/report-cia-lost-office-in-wtc/What happened after ? Oh more government control, the Patriot act, and the invasion of Iraq, and the disposal of Saddam Hussein, who was sitting on a shit load of oil, and had rejected the USD hegemony. Was he involved in 911 ? Oh not in the slightest. There was however, a lot of money to be made from the war on terror (no-one in particular) What about this Osama Bin Laden guy, he could have clarified a few issues, what was his version ? His version is at the bottom of the sea. He wasn't going to be allowed to give his version Jesus wept. rumble.com/v3htr40-somebody-on-the-satanic-911-attack-team-fcked-up-big-time-by-putting-out.htmlBin Laden’s family and the Bush Family were very close business associates. It’s one of the reasons why it took forever to find him. I didn’t buy into the official line he was killed and the body dumped at sea. Do you really believe America would give up the opportunity to have him on trial? With the possible exception of Lee Harvey Oswald, I can't think of anyone the American people would have liked to have had stand trial, and heard what they had to say, more than OBL If however, you believe the official narrative to be a work of fiction, then it shouldn't be hard to imagine why vested interests might not want that.
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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 14:55:19 GMT
No I was confused by your previous post that had no logic to the subject matter of the 9/11 thread. 😕 Read it again, then maybe answer the question (with words) Choc: Do you believe the government doesn't want all these third world young men, to be rocking up on our shores ? What's that got to do with 9/11 ??
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 15:21:25 GMT
That’s what I like with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 justice. Everything they do to make their points are grounded in science and not opinion. 1. It’s what people like you Choc, likes. I’m looking forward to seeing you challenge the findings of said org lol. 2. If he couldn't identify the blatant bullshit we were being belt fed two years ago, when it was being pointed out to him in real time, he's not going to question the official narrative about an event from 20 years ago. 3. Sadly, well let's ask - Choc: Do you believe the government doesn't want all these third world young men, to be rocking up on our shores ? Oh choc you're better than this. Laughing emojis attempted to be passed off as a point. Pretending not to know what first cnote now I am talking about, moon landings. This is the shit the commies usually come out with. 1. cnote asks an as yet unanswered question, as you don't seem to want the official narrative questioned 2. I point out to him you rigidly stuck by the government's line during covid, despite my calling it out, practically daily. The things you later described as my lucky guesses. 3. I was pointing out that he's wasting his time, and was about to say 'sadly he probably believes the government - who couldn't be doing much more to facilitate the immigration - doesn't want them here (as they say). I decided not to speak for you, and just ask the question. A question which if you don't answer this time, I'll assume you do believe them.
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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 16:30:25 GMT
2. If he couldn't identify the blatant bullshit we were being belt fed two years ago, when it was being pointed out to him in real time, he's not going to question the official narrative about an event from 20 years ago. 3. Sadly, well let's ask - Choc: Do you believe the government doesn't want all these third world young men, to be rocking up on our shores ? Oh choc you're better than this. Laughing emojis attempted to be passed off as a point. Pretending not to know what first cnote now I am talking about, moon landings. This is the shit the commies usually come out with. 1. cnote asks an as yet unanswered question, as you don't seem to want the official narrative questioned 2. I point out to him you rigidly stuck by the government's line during covid, despite my calling it out, practically daily. The things you later described as my lucky guesses. 3. I was pointing out that he's wasting his time, and was about to say 'sadly he probably believes the government - who couldn't be doing much more to facilitate the immigration - doesn't want them here (as they say). I decided not to speak for you, and just ask the question. A question which if you don't answer this time, I'll assume you do believe them. 1. cnote asks an as yet unanswered question, as you don't seem to want the official narrative questionedI always want the official narrative questioned but this subject has been done to death. With no solid evidence to backup the conspiracy theories just opinions by the few. 2. I point out to him you rigidly stuck by the government's line during covid, despite my calling it out, practically daily. The things you later described as my lucky guesses.
Remind me? I do remember your lucky guesses and I stick by that because like me you are no expert. 3. I was pointing out that he's wasting his time, and was about to say 'sadly he probably believes the government - who couldn't be doing much more to facilitate the immigration - doesn't want them here (as they say). I decided not to speak for you, and just ask the question. A question which if you don't answer this time, I'll assume you do believe them.
I still don't know why this is relevant to 9/11 but what I would say is our country is now ungovernable due to our woke society and corrupt lawyers making vast amounts of money blocking governments implementation of policies. Everything is blocked with the exception of us leaving the EU, but they certainly tried. Be interesting to see what goes on when Beer Starmer is in charge. There is nothing wrong with controlled immigration but the courts are blocking any control.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 18:06:11 GMT
Oh choc you're better than this. Laughing emojis attempted to be passed off as a point. Pretending not to know what first cnote now I am talking about, moon landings. This is the shit the commies usually come out with. 1. cnote asks an as yet unanswered question, as you don't seem to want the official narrative questioned 2. I point out to him you rigidly stuck by the government's line during covid, despite my calling it out, practically daily. The things you later described as my lucky guesses. 3. I was pointing out that he's wasting his time, and was about to say 'sadly he probably believes the government - who couldn't be doing much more to facilitate the immigration - doesn't want them here (as they say). I decided not to speak for you, and just ask the question. A question which if you don't answer this time, I'll assume you do believe them. 1. cnote asks an as yet unanswered question, as you don't seem to want the official narrative questionedI always want the official narrative questioned but this subject has been done to death. With no solid evidence to backup the conspiracy theories just opinions by the few. 2. I point out to him you rigidly stuck by the government's line during covid, despite my calling it out, practically daily. The things you later described as my lucky guesses.
Remind me? I do remember your lucky guesses and I stick by that because like me you are no expert. 3. I was pointing out that he's wasting his time, and was about to say 'sadly he probably believes the government - who couldn't be doing much more to facilitate the immigration - doesn't want them here (as they say). I decided not to speak for you, and just ask the question. A question which if you don't answer this time, I'll assume you do believe them.
I still don't know why this is relevant to 9/11 but what I would say is our country is now ungovernable due to our woke society and corrupt lawyers making vast amounts of money blocking governments implementation of policies. Everything is blocked with the exception of us leaving the EU, but they certainly tried. Be interesting to see what goes on when Beer Starmer is in charge. There is nothing wrong with controlled immigration but the courts are blocking any control. It's relevant to me telling cnote he's wasting his time, as you don't question the official line. It's the governments who make the laws. The government could leave the ECHR. The government have demonstrated they can award themselves powers over night. It's the government who chooses to provide the navy and coast guard, medical teams, lawyers, 4 star hotels, clothing, phones, spending money etc. It's the government who seems to think it takes two years to (not) say 'application rejected'. That, I believe, is your round about way of saying 'Yes I believe the government when they say they are trying to stop it' This is why we lose. It's this sort of thing which enables our daily horror. It is your vote that opens the borders. Try to get out of this 'It'd be worse under Labour mindset.' It'll be worse under either. Look around you. This is what they both want.
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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 19:50:31 GMT
Off subject again 😌 I have said many times that it doesn't matter who you put in charge, nothing will change. So it's also your vote that opens up the borders. Can't you see that the main issues regarding the rubber boats are; 1- The French 2- Left leaning lawyers 3- Opposition parties 4- Woke MSM 5- Champagne socialists 6 - And last but not least, Whitehall senior civil servants.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 20:31:06 GMT
Off subject again 😌 I have said many times that it doesn't matter who you put in charge, nothing will change. So it's also your vote that opens up the borders. Can't you see that the main issues regarding the rubber boats are; 1- The French 2- Left leaning lawyers 3- Opposition parties 4- Woke MSM 5- Champagne socialists 6 - And last but not least, Whitehall senior civil servants. No. I really can't. All of those may be in favour, but the government is supposed to be in charge. It's not up to the French who we allow in, or the lawyers, or the opposition parties, or the MSM, or the champagne socialists or (supposedly ) Whitehall. Do you think any of these can MAKE the government provide the navy and coast guard, medical teams, lawyers, 4 star hotels, clothing, phones, spending money etc. I'm not saying someone else isn't calling the shots, but it's none of these. So you do believe they want to stop it, but other parties (including the French government) are pulling rank on the government. Fine. Leave army veterans on the streets, but put ISIS up in four star hotels because Labour tells them to. Send troops over to Ukraine, but don't allow the Navy to physically stop an invasion of the UK, because the MSM won't let them. This is why I said to cnote it's a waste of time asking you watch an Architects and Engineers for 9/11 justice presentation, and challenge their findings. Government selected / paid for architects, engineers, doctors, whatever absolutely correct. Dissenting architects, engineers, doctors, whatever, bunch of lying, trouble making, shit stirrers. That's all you need to know. No individual thought necessary.
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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 21:39:58 GMT
Off subject again 😌 I have said many times that it doesn't matter who you put in charge, nothing will change. So it's also your vote that opens up the borders. Can't you see that the main issues regarding the rubber boats are; 1- The French 2- Left leaning lawyers 3- Opposition parties 4- Woke MSM 5- Champagne socialists 6 - And last but not least, Whitehall senior civil servants. No. I really can't. All of those may be in favour, but the government is supposed to be in charge. It's not up to the French who we allow in, or the lawyers, or the opposition parties, or the MSM, or the champagne socialists or (supposedly ) Whitehall. Do you think any of these can MAKE the government provide the navy and coast guard, medical teams, lawyers, 4 star hotels, clothing, phones, spending money etc. I'm not saying someone else isn't calling the shots, but it's none of these. So you do believe they want to stop it, but other parties (including the French government) are pulling rank on the government. Fine. Leave army veterans on the streets, but put ISIS up in four star hotels because Labour tells them to. Send troops over to Ukraine, but don't allow the Navy to physically stop an invasion of the UK, because the MSM won't let them. This is why I said to cnote it's a waste of time asking you watch an Architects and Engineers for 9/11 justice presentation, and challenge their findings. Government selected / paid for architects, engineers, doctors, whatever absolutely correct. Dissenting architects, engineers, doctors, whatever, bunch of lying, trouble making, shit stirrers. That's all you need to know. No individual thought necessary. It's the French who are letting them get in the boats and sail away into our waters. Once in our waters we are responsible for them. Its the lawyers who have blocked the Rwanda deal. It's lawyers who are stopping the flights deporting illegals, gangsters, murders rapists and crooks. Its the lawyers who stopped the use of barges. It's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are supporting all of this. If you can't see this then you disappoint me. The Navy was involved at one point but it was obvious that it was pointless because they just became another rescue service as under international maritime laws they had to do this. I do believe that this government want to sop the boats and remove the 'invaders' because that would be a vote winner and that’s what they are interested in. Your last paragraph you seem to be trying to read my mind as I've said nothing regarding the video. I haven't watched it YET. But I promise you Tony that I will and get back to you. Do you believe that 2 planes did fly into the twin towers ?
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Post by choc on Oct 3, 2023 22:11:21 GMT
So just watched the first 7 minutes of the video. Not impressed so far. First he said the Muslim highjackers were all good Muslims. Didn't drink, take drugs and go to strip clubs. How does he know that. I've known a few in my time that's done all that and more. He said that the cockpit door should have been locked. Before 9/11 it was common for these doors to be left unlocked just like it was common for passengers to visit the cockpit. I know because I did it many times. He then says that the pilot should have sent a message to say they were being hijacked. How does he know they had the time to do this. They could have been dead within seconds. I will get back to you when I've seen more but if it carries on like this I may give up quickly and refuse to buy his book that's available now in all good book shops.👍
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 22:56:37 GMT
No. I really can't. All of those may be in favour, but the government is supposed to be in charge. It's not up to the French who we allow in, or the lawyers, or the opposition parties, or the MSM, or the champagne socialists or (supposedly ) Whitehall. Do you think any of these can MAKE the government provide the navy and coast guard, medical teams, lawyers, 4 star hotels, clothing, phones, spending money etc. I'm not saying someone else isn't calling the shots, but it's none of these. So you do believe they want to stop it, but other parties (including the French government) are pulling rank on the government. Fine. Leave army veterans on the streets, but put ISIS up in four star hotels because Labour tells them to. Send troops over to Ukraine, but don't allow the Navy to physically stop an invasion of the UK, because the MSM won't let them. This is why I said to cnote it's a waste of time asking you watch an Architects and Engineers for 9/11 justice presentation, and challenge their findings. Government selected / paid for architects, engineers, doctors, whatever absolutely correct. Dissenting architects, engineers, doctors, whatever, bunch of lying, trouble making, shit stirrers. That's all you need to know. No individual thought necessary. 1. It's the French who are letting them get in the boats and sail away into our waters. Once in our waters we are responsible for them. 2. Its the lawyers who have blocked the Rwanda deal. It's lawyers who are stopping the flights deporting illegals, gangsters, murders rapists and crooks. Its the lawyers who stopped the use of barges. 3. It's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are supporting all of this. 4. If you can't see this then you disappoint me. 5. The Navy was involved at one point but it was obvious that it was pointless because they just became another rescue service as under international maritime laws they had to do this. 6. I do believe that this government want to sop the boats and remove the 'invaders' because that would be a vote winner and that’s what they are interested in. 7. Your last paragraph you seem to be trying to read my mind as I've said nothing regarding the video. I haven't watched it YET. But I promise you Tony that I will and get back to you. 8. Do you believe that 2 planes did fly into the twin towers ? 1. The sad thing is, I know you're serious. I don't think it's occurred to you what the navy is for, or the point of arming them. "You are not allowed to enter our waters without permission" "Well we're here now" "In that case, we'll make you as comfortable as possible" Responsible my arse. So fcuking stupid. 2. The government makes the laws. Lawyers don't make their own up. What exactly is the government doing about these lawyers, who supposedly boss them about ? 3. So it's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are actually in charge, are they ? Perhaps the Conservatives will have more clout when they are in opposition, than they have now then 4. I can see they are in just as much support of it as the government. Believe me, if I was in charge, it wouldn't be happening. 5. fcuk me sideways. International law says 'If someone enters your waters illegally, you pretty much have to adopt them, and support them', does it ? How about this - 'If you enter our waters, you will be treated as an enemy' ? International law. Do you think Russia, China, Singapore, Japan, Saudi, Israel and so on ask themselves whether they are allowed to enforce their borders ? Hungary even ? "International law does not allow a nation to enforce it's borders". Unbelievable. And no thought of packing them off to an island off Scotland, and getting them to work for their keep. They want them here. Trust me. If they didn't, they wouldn't be here. 6. Ha ha. When Boris was campaigning he said he would control immigration, get a proper Brexit, end the BBC licence, sort out the civil service, end the supreme court and protect our waters (fish related). They are full of shit. The government is still full of shit, trying to convince people that they are going to sort the situation out. If they can't (won't actually because they are globalist agents), as you're suggesting, why not just say that. Just say 'we are absolutely powerless, but please vote for us anyway, because we would get this sorted if we could' ? Conservative & Labour are two boils on the globalist's arse. They might want the manager's job, but they won't defy the directors. The Conservatives have been managing for about 13 years, now. Happy ? If they had another 13, do you think things would get better, or worse ? 7. Ah well that's good. 8. Yes. Less convinced about the Pentagon, but I don't know. 911. It stinks. So much doesn't add up, especially the smoking gun on WTC7. Immigration. I didn't mean to take the thread off topic. I've explained why I used it as an example. The boat people are the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to end well. The government is bending over backwards to make it happen. They have done fcuk all to stop it, or reverse it. My opinion is, if the exact same thing was happening, but we had a Labour government, you would be saying Labour are all for it, and the Conservatives would improve matters (exact opposite of what they actually are doing). I think you'd believe it, too. You're hardly on your own. I've written about it many times. I don't think we can vote our way out of this. Another method is required. But if you want to vote, don't vote uniparty. Don't encourage / support the fuckers, then shrug your shoulders, and sink into apathy. If you have to vote, then try a patriotic party, not some blue ribboned socialists. Wishy Washy was claiming he's the man to bring about change, earlier. The brass neck of these nucts. Going further off topic. I suspect the Conservatives won't make opposition. Yes I know there are a lot of people like yourself, but I'm getting the impression there are a lot of people who can't stand any more bullshit from them. The Reform Party seems to be their favoured great hope. I'm far from saying I think that's a great choice, and of course we'll have to wait until the election. The 'It'd be even worse (shit as I acknowledge it is with the Conservatives) with Labour' mindset is pretty entrenched. But right now. From what I'm picking up. From looking at the disinterest in the Conservative's conference. I suspect the Conservatives won't make second. Good. They have to die as a party. That will release people like yourself, to look for actual change. Actual patriots.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 3, 2023 22:59:26 GMT
So just watched the first 7 minutes of the video. Not impressed so far. First he said the Muslim highjackers were all good Muslims. Didn't drink, take drugs and go to strip clubs. How does he know that. I've known a few in my time that's done all that and more. He said that the cockpit door should have been locked. Before 9/11 it was common for these doors to be left unlocked just like it was common for passengers to visit the cockpit. I know because I did it many times. He then says that the pilot should have sent a message to say they were being hijacked. How does he know they had the time to do this. They could have been dead within seconds. I will get back to you when I've seen more but if it carries on like this I may give up quickly and refuse to buy his book that's available now in all good book shops.👍 First class. I haven't watched it. But I'm very encouraged that you're putting the time in, and giving it some thought. Really pleased. This is more like it.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 4, 2023 12:40:12 GMT
I realise how hard this is.
WTC7 caught fire, from the Twin Towers, a few hundred yards away. Apparently.
I have been unable to find any examples of tower blocks falling down at all, let alone in a controlled way, within their own footprint, down to fire. It's easy to find as many examples as you want, of towers being completely burned out, with their frames still standing. (No passports found though)
Anyone looking at the footage, not knowing what it was, would think 'controlled demolition' Not minor fire damage. Not down to damage caused by the other towers, as the BBC claimed, 20 minutes before it went down.
Below is John Kerry admitting it was a controlled demolition, after being asked about all the money the owner made from the event.
It was a controlled demolition.
This takes time. And planning. Which means it needs prior knowledge of the event.
Once you realise this was a controlled explosion, that the explosives were there before the planes showed up, it shouldn't take long for it to cross your mind, that WTC7 wasn't the only building primed for destruction.
You're now thinking the US authorities were complacent with the slaughter of thousands of it's citizens, and maybe a million more people to follow.
It's kick in the balls, punch in the guts, slap around the face. It's very difficult to take in. Your head's spinning, you feel sick. I know what it's like
Almost too much to bear for some. Impossible for others. They can't comprehend it.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 4, 2023 12:47:07 GMT
"She has to do it herself"
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Post by choc on Oct 4, 2023 16:19:47 GMT
1. It's the French who are letting them get in the boats and sail away into our waters. Once in our waters we are responsible for them. 2. Its the lawyers who have blocked the Rwanda deal. It's lawyers who are stopping the flights deporting illegals, gangsters, murders rapists and crooks. Its the lawyers who stopped the use of barges. 3. It's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are supporting all of this. 4. If you can't see this then you disappoint me. 5. The Navy was involved at one point but it was obvious that it was pointless because they just became another rescue service as under international maritime laws they had to do this. 6. I do believe that this government want to sop the boats and remove the 'invaders' because that would be a vote winner and that’s what they are interested in. 7. Your last paragraph you seem to be trying to read my mind as I've said nothing regarding the video. I haven't watched it YET. But I promise you Tony that I will and get back to you. 8. Do you believe that 2 planes did fly into the twin towers ? 1. The sad thing is, I know you're serious. I don't think it's occurred to you what the navy is for, or the point of arming them. "You are not allowed to enter our waters without permission" "Well we're here now" "In that case, we'll make you as comfortable as possible" Responsible my arse. So fcuking stupid. 2. The government makes the laws. Lawyers don't make their own up. What exactly is the government doing about these lawyers, who supposedly boss them about ? 3. So it's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are actually in charge, are they ? Perhaps the Conservatives will have more clout when they are in opposition, than they have now then 4. I can see they are in just as much support of it as the government. Believe me, if I was in charge, it wouldn't be happening. 5. fcuk me sideways. International law says 'If someone enters your waters illegally, you pretty much have to adopt them, and support them', does it ? How about this - 'If you enter our waters, you will be treated as an enemy' ? International law. Do you think Russia, China, Singapore, Japan, Saudi, Israel and so on ask themselves whether they are allowed to enforce their borders ? Hungary even ? "International law does not allow a nation to enforce it's borders". Unbelievable. And no thought of packing them off to an island off Scotland, and getting them to work for their keep. They want them here. Trust me. If they didn't, they wouldn't be here. 6. Ha ha. When Boris was campaigning he said he would control immigration, get a proper Brexit, end the BBC licence, sort out the civil service, end the supreme court and protect our waters (fish related). They are full of shit. The government is still full of shit, trying to convince people that they are going to sort the situation out. If they can't (won't actually because they are globalist agents), as you're suggesting, why not just say that. Just say 'we are absolutely powerless, but please vote for us anyway, because we would get this sorted if we could' ? Conservative & Labour are two boils on the globalist's arse. They might want the manager's job, but they won't defy the directors. The Conservatives have been managing for about 13 years, now. Happy ? If they had another 13, do you think things would get better, or worse ? 7. Ah well that's good. 8. Yes. Less convinced about the Pentagon, but I don't know. 911. It stinks. So much doesn't add up, especially the smoking gun on WTC7. Immigration. I didn't mean to take the thread off topic. I've explained why I used it as an example. The boat people are the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to end well. The government is bending over backwards to make it happen. They have done fcuk all to stop it, or reverse it. My opinion is, if the exact same thing was happening, but we had a Labour government, you would be saying Labour are all for it, and the Conservatives would improve matters (exact opposite of what they actually are doing). I think you'd believe it, too. You're hardly on your own. I've written about it many times. I don't think we can vote our way out of this. Another method is required. But if you want to vote, don't vote uniparty. Don't encourage / support the fuckers, then shrug your shoulders, and sink into apathy. If you have to vote, then try a patriotic party, not some blue ribboned socialists. Wishy Washy was claiming he's the man to bring about change, earlier. The brass neck of these nucts. Going further off topic. I suspect the Conservatives won't make opposition. Yes I know there are a lot of people like yourself, but I'm getting the impression there are a lot of people who can't stand any more bullshit from them. The Reform Party seems to be their favoured great hope. I'm far from saying I think that's a great choice, and of course we'll have to wait until the election. The 'It'd be even worse (shit as I acknowledge it is with the Conservatives) with Labour' mindset is pretty entrenched. But right now. From what I'm picking up. From looking at the disinterest in the Conservative's conference. I suspect the Conservatives won't make second. Good. They have to die as a party. That will release people like yourself, to look for actual change. Actual patriots. 1. So you think the Navy should blow the rubber boats out of the water because they are armed. Our nation follows international maritime laws so we are responsible even though like you I don't like it. 2. The current law is the law. Any government find it difficult to change any laws in this country because it has to go through the Lords and Parliament and that is why this country fails to move on. 3. They are not in charge but have massive influence. 4. Like you I would do things differently but we're not in charge. 5. I agree they should be treated as illegal invaders but we are not Russia, China or Saudi. 6. Of course it won't get any better, it never does and it won't improve with the next government. 7. I'm on it. 8. Well that's a start. Do you believe that there were innocent Yanks on those 3 planes? I don't think the tories are anti immigration. I'm not. But it needs control and the government are struggling to control it. The points system was a positive move but the rubber boats have clearly put a spanner in the works. You seem to think I'm an out and out Conservative voter. I've stated many times that I have always been a floating voter. For me Boris was last chance saloon for me to vote again. I voted for Boris for 2 reasons. 1. Brexit and 2. Cause I knew he was a dodgy fecker who would bend the rules a little. But Covid , remoaners and Russia shafted him. So I'm done with the vote because its actually pointless in our ungovernable country. Boris could have been the change but the establishment wouldn't allow it.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 4, 2023 18:26:14 GMT
1. The sad thing is, I know you're serious. I don't think it's occurred to you what the navy is for, or the point of arming them. "You are not allowed to enter our waters without permission" "Well we're here now" "In that case, we'll make you as comfortable as possible" Responsible my arse. So fcuking stupid. 2. The government makes the laws. Lawyers don't make their own up. What exactly is the government doing about these lawyers, who supposedly boss them about ? 3. So it's the opposition parties, MSM and champagne socialists and Whitehall who are actually in charge, are they ? Perhaps the Conservatives will have more clout when they are in opposition, than they have now then 4. I can see they are in just as much support of it as the government. Believe me, if I was in charge, it wouldn't be happening. 5. fcuk me sideways. International law says 'If someone enters your waters illegally, you pretty much have to adopt them, and support them', does it ? How about this - 'If you enter our waters, you will be treated as an enemy' ? International law. Do you think Russia, China, Singapore, Japan, Saudi, Israel and so on ask themselves whether they are allowed to enforce their borders ? Hungary even ? "International law does not allow a nation to enforce it's borders". Unbelievable. And no thought of packing them off to an island off Scotland, and getting them to work for their keep. They want them here. Trust me. If they didn't, they wouldn't be here. 6. Ha ha. When Boris was campaigning he said he would control immigration, get a proper Brexit, end the BBC licence, sort out the civil service, end the supreme court and protect our waters (fish related). They are full of shit. The government is still full of shit, trying to convince people that they are going to sort the situation out. If they can't (won't actually because they are globalist agents), as you're suggesting, why not just say that. Just say 'we are absolutely powerless, but please vote for us anyway, because we would get this sorted if we could' ? Conservative & Labour are two boils on the globalist's arse. They might want the manager's job, but they won't defy the directors. The Conservatives have been managing for about 13 years, now. Happy ? If they had another 13, do you think things would get better, or worse ? 7. Ah well that's good. 8. Yes. Less convinced about the Pentagon, but I don't know. 911. It stinks. So much doesn't add up, especially the smoking gun on WTC7. Immigration. I didn't mean to take the thread off topic. I've explained why I used it as an example. The boat people are the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to end well. The government is bending over backwards to make it happen. They have done fcuk all to stop it, or reverse it. My opinion is, if the exact same thing was happening, but we had a Labour government, you would be saying Labour are all for it, and the Conservatives would improve matters (exact opposite of what they actually are doing). I think you'd believe it, too. You're hardly on your own. I've written about it many times. I don't think we can vote our way out of this. Another method is required. But if you want to vote, don't vote uniparty. Don't encourage / support the fuckers, then shrug your shoulders, and sink into apathy. If you have to vote, then try a patriotic party, not some blue ribboned socialists. Wishy Washy was claiming he's the man to bring about change, earlier. The brass neck of these nucts. Going further off topic. I suspect the Conservatives won't make opposition. Yes I know there are a lot of people like yourself, but I'm getting the impression there are a lot of people who can't stand any more bullshit from them. The Reform Party seems to be their favoured great hope. I'm far from saying I think that's a great choice, and of course we'll have to wait until the election. The 'It'd be even worse (shit as I acknowledge it is with the Conservatives) with Labour' mindset is pretty entrenched. But right now. From what I'm picking up. From looking at the disinterest in the Conservative's conference. I suspect the Conservatives won't make second. Good. They have to die as a party. That will release people like yourself, to look for actual change. Actual patriots. 1. So you think the Navy should blow the rubber boats out of the water because they are armed. Our nation follows international maritime laws so we are responsible even though like you I don't like it. 2. The current law is the law. Any government find it difficult to change any laws in this country because it has to go through the Lords and Parliament and that is why this country fails to move on. 3. They are not in charge but have massive influence. 4. Like you I would do things differently but we're not in charge. 5. I agree they should be treated as illegal invaders but we are not Russia, China or Saudi. 6. Of course it won't get any better, it never does and it won't improve with the next government. 7. I'm on it. 8. Well that's a start. Do you believe that there were innocent Yanks on those 3 planes? I don't think the tories are anti immigration. I'm not. But it needs control and the government are struggling to control it. The points system was a positive move but the rubber boats have clearly put a spanner in the works. You seem to think I'm an out and out Conservative voter. I've stated many times that I have always been a floating voter. For me Boris was last chance saloon for me to vote again. I voted for Boris for 2 reasons. 1. Brexit and 2. Cause I knew he was a dodgy fecker who would bend the rules a little. But Covid , remoaners and Russia shafted him. So I'm done with the vote because its actually pointless in our ungovernable country. Boris could have been the change but the establishment wouldn't allow it. 1. I think they should give them fair warning, then yes. I'd doubt they'd have to sink many. The UK doesn't worry about international laws when it's bombing the middle east. Yet protect their own borders, and they're worried the UN might get cross. I can't see it. 2. They aren't even trying 3. Ha. So they aren't in charge. It's not up to them 4. We certainly aren't. They are, and they are doing things how they decide to do them. Treacherously. 5. No. And we won't be the England we remember, either. 6. Bingo. 7. That's great. It really is. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, it's the listening and giving it some thought, that's important. 8. I don't know what to believe. I'll take the planes at face value. Could they have been swapped ? Maybe. I don't want to guess. I've seen footage of the supposed hijackers, and to me, they didn't look like people who were about to kill themselves. I think Boris was fine in his job until he suggested leaving the ECHR. When lady Jane gray and wishy washy were asked the question, they said no pretty smartish. 1.1 million people came just last year. That's a bigger Birmingham. In one year. I looked it up the other day, the nation is 74.9% white British. I worked that out to about 50 million. I looked it up, same as 1950 (all white British) Today's white British, are getting older. The immigration isn't stopping. Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, the percentage is going to fall and fall. It won't be an english nation. Before the nutters start, I'm not advocating anything diabolical, I'm saying that for me, how it was in the 70's was fine (demographics wise). I'd say the black guys I grew up with, would feel the same way. I'd love to ask them The boat people. They are mostly young men, from the third world. What, over 80,000 so far ? Is this going to help the crime rate ? The living standards ? Less murders and rapes ? They aren't sending any back. Maybe a handful. Reluctantly. Yes I think our borders should be defended. This is not going to end well. These people aren't like us, and in some cases, hate us. 'the establishment wouldn't allow it' No. No it wouldn't. You see you're kind of right, only the government doesn't want to do anything, and if they did, they wouldn't be in government. The government is calling the shots, but they are following instructions. I have a simple test with some subjects 'Do you think Joe Biden has his finger on the pulse ? The man in charge of the world's biggest economy, mightiest military. The guy with the red button ?' If they say yes, then it's pointless talking to them. If they say 'er, I suppose not' (never occurred), I'll carry on with whatever we were talking about. Hopefully, later on, they might start to wonder who is in charge.
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Post by cnote on Oct 5, 2023 7:44:20 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 5, 2023 17:20:33 GMT
I just can't see an establishment institution concluding the establishment had a hand in mass murder. However, if the world gets to see the evidence, that would be a good thing.
I do miss the days when I had no reason to doubt the official version of events.
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Post by cnote on Nov 17, 2023 12:50:20 GMT
Lots on twitter over the last month or so indicating what I have always believed Osama Bin Laden, is an ex CIA operative. It’s why I never bought into his death by USA marines. x.com/l3mino/status/1436433921554718725?s=46
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Post by cnote on Nov 17, 2023 12:53:41 GMT
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Post by jazzzy786 on Nov 18, 2023 0:32:57 GMT
There were some people who made shit load of money from this. I say follow the money trail to find the real perpetrators.
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Post by cnote on Nov 18, 2023 6:32:48 GMT
Indeed the corruption committed was on a colossal scale it’s unbelievable how it was done right in front of our eyes.
Osama Bin Laden, trending on twitter over a letter he wrote the the Americans following 9/11.
On the one hand I don’t believe he wrote this letter because I distinctly remember at the time him denying any responsibility for 9/11.
However if we consider it to be factual then it poses real problems for all of us. What he’s saying in this letter sends chills through me especially because he’s right.
I think the Guardian, has now removed the letter from its newsreel because I suppose it’s worried about its impact on Muslims and non muslims in the uk.
I think I read it’s the fastest growing religion in the world you’ve only got to see the prison records for converts whilst incarcerated. I always use to put this down to the food angle but it’s bigger than that.
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Post by cnote on Nov 18, 2023 6:35:19 GMT
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Post by cnote on Nov 18, 2023 14:15:15 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 18, 2023 15:35:37 GMT
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Post by cnote on Nov 19, 2023 8:27:49 GMT
TikTok writes the following: “Support for Israel (as compared to sympathy for Palestine) has been lower among younger Americans for some time. This is evidenced by looking at Gallup polling data of millennials dating as far back as 2010, long before TikTok even existed. A March 2023 Gallup poll, before the war, shows young adults have rapidly shifting attitudes towards the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.” In a leaked audio clip obtained by Tehran Times, Anti-Defamation League director Jonathan Greenblatt is heard bemoaning the loss of Gen-Z to pro-Palestinian sentiment. “But I also wanna point out that we have a major, major, major generational problem,” Greenblatt complains to his cohorts. “All the polling that I’ve seen — ADL’s polling, ICC’s polling, independent polling — suggests this is not a left or right gap, folks. The issue in the United States’ support for Israel is not left and right, it is young and old.” “We really have a Tik-Tok problem, a Gen-Z problem,” Greenblatt adds. In reality, what Greenblatt and his associates have is a morality problem. They have a large group of people who have not been indoctrinated into accepting madness and amputating parts of their own conscience over the years, and so are able to look at the mass murder of civilians in Gaza with clear eyes. And really that’s all you need to see the ongoing Gaza massacre for what it is: a look with clear eyes. Just one swift glance, unmolested by propaganda distortion or cognitive biases. That’s all it takes. Israel’s problem is not that people are being propagandized into hating it, it’s that people are not being successfully propagandized into supporting it. Their problem is not malign influence but a lack thereof. Because the fact of the matter is there’s only so many ways you can spin the murder of thousands of children, and now all the media obfuscation in the world is not enough to pull the wool over fresh eyes that are ready to see. x.com/caitoz/status/1726074482870342088?s=46
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 19, 2023 12:57:38 GMT
I imagine they're trying to work out how to ban TikTok without alerting the young, as to the nature of the world they live in.
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Post by cnote on Mar 14, 2024 11:17:27 GMT
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