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Post by choc on Apr 17, 2024 13:29:38 GMT
There's a common thread with some of our fans. Always wanting to go back in time. Asking for old managers and old players to be bought back to the club. Can't we all just move on and look to the future with fresh ideas. Isn't that what the ownership are trying to promote. Are we on board with them or shall we just dig up some more old names and add them to the list.
I say MOVE ON.
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Post by kevinuk81 on Apr 17, 2024 14:47:30 GMT
There's a common thread with some of our fans. Always wanting to go back in time. Asking for old managers and old players to be bought back to the club. Can't we all just move on and look to the future with fresh ideas. Isn't that what the ownership are trying to promote. Are we on board with them or shall we just dig up some more old names and add them to the list. I say MOVE ON. That isn't why I suggested him, it was because he will be a free transfer and has proven he can score in this league. Would you rather we spent money on someone who scores goals in a lower league, Langstaff for example, but cannot do it in the Championship. And I am confident we are staying up.
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Post by thesauce16 on Apr 17, 2024 14:47:57 GMT
There's a common thread with some of our fans. Always wanting to go back in time. Asking for old managers and old players to be bought back to the club. Can't we all just move on and look to the future with fresh ideas. Isn't that what the ownership are trying to promote. Are we on board with them or shall we just dig up some more old names and add them to the list. I say MOVE ON. If you take everything off the table and look at pure stats, Che is exactly the sort of player we need. Forget that he used to play for us, he’s a very good striker at this level who is available for free. Seems crazy to me you say no simply because he played for us and left us for the perm in the past?! Give me the name of another international striker, who has score 20+ goals in a champ season, and 20 goals in the premier league over a couple of years, who may be interested in coming and is available for no transfer fee and I’ll happily take them, but I think you’ll struggle! It’s no like I’m calling for the return of Darren Randolph, Harlee Dean or the like.
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Post by choc on Apr 17, 2024 15:47:07 GMT
There's a common thread with some of our fans. Always wanting to go back in time. Asking for old managers and old players to be bought back to the club. Can't we all just move on and look to the future with fresh ideas. Isn't that what the ownership are trying to promote. Are we on board with them or shall we just dig up some more old names and add them to the list. I say MOVE ON. If you take everything off the table and look at pure stats, Che is exactly the sort of player we need. Forget that he used to play for us, he’s a very good striker at this level who is available for free. Seems crazy to me you say no simply because he played for us and left us for the perm in the past?! Give me the name of another international striker, who has score 20+ goals in a champ season, and 20 goals in the premier league over a couple of years, who may be interested in coming and is available for no transfer fee and I’ll happily take them, but I think you’ll struggle! It’s no like I’m calling for the return of Darren Randolph, Harlee Dean or the like. Any evidence or just your gut feelings?
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Post by cnote on Apr 17, 2024 16:20:58 GMT
Che played really well last night and took his 2nd goal with a classy one two which he started with a quick back heel.
No way he gets that ball back off any of our players the ball would be stuck under their feet still.
Che is now use to playing with quick thinking players coming back to us would be a backward step.
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Post by supacragg on Apr 17, 2024 16:38:53 GMT
Anyone know if Dembele’s little brother has got his career back on track at Blackpool?
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Post by Sammy Wren on Apr 17, 2024 17:01:08 GMT
I hear John would be interested in a few of his old Blues players for Blackburn, we could give him 5 of them in return for the lad with the vodka sounding name.
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Post by thesauce16 on Apr 17, 2024 18:46:53 GMT
If you take everything off the table and look at pure stats, Che is exactly the sort of player we need. Forget that he used to play for us, he’s a very good striker at this level who is available for free. Seems crazy to me you say no simply because he played for us and left us for the perm in the past?! Give me the name of another international striker, who has score 20+ goals in a champ season, and 20 goals in the premier league over a couple of years, who may be interested in coming and is available for no transfer fee and I’ll happily take them, but I think you’ll struggle! It’s no like I’m calling for the return of Darren Randolph, Harlee Dean or the like. Any evidence or just your gut feelings? Just my thoughts, hence use of the word ‘May’. No evidence, but I think he could be tempted!
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Post by gammo on Apr 17, 2024 20:07:52 GMT
Che has 17 goals this season which ain't too bad considering he wasn't their number 1 striker for quite a few games.
If someone said we were in for a 17+ goal scorer from the championship for free we'd be quite happy with that. It doesn't matter that he's played for us before....so did Forsell and more recently Hogan and we were happy when they came back.
As for using 'the project' to attract players, why not? NO-ONE else is going to be in this kind of position of redevelopment for ages so let's tap into it and use it as leverage to get those better players...it could be the difference for promotion.
In addition to Che and Jay (ha ha, it rhymes too 😄), we need a young Juke type striker just to switch things around a bit.
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Post by bluenoserob on Apr 17, 2024 20:34:39 GMT
I don’t really know who other clubs have, and who we would go after But I always think of what Steve Bruce said when building a team, and you start down the middle. A dominant goalkeeper who can fill his back four and all of us supporters with confidence. He would totally be in charge of that penalty box. Two massive centre backs, about 6 ft 4 inches tall, built like brick shithouses who would frighten the life out of any opposition strikers. A tall , 6 foot 3 inch , centre forward who can hold on to that ball and make some space for the likes of Stansfield ( we hope). Who the hell they are, and who they play for I ain’t got a clue! But hopefully our talent spotter’s do? I’m presuming we are still in the Championship. And next season for the first time in years we ain’t putting a team out full of free transfers and loan players. Or am I dreaming?
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Post by thesauce16 on Apr 17, 2024 20:53:40 GMT
Che has 17 goals this season which ain't too bad considering he wasn't their number 1 striker for quite a few games. If someone said we were in for a 17+ goal scorer from the championship for free we'd be quite happy with that. It doesn't matter that he's played for us before....so did Forsell and more recently Hogan and we were happy when they came back. As for using 'the project' to attract players, why not? NO-ONE else is going to be in this kind of position of redevelopment for ages so let's tap into it and use it as leverage to get those better players...it could be the difference for promotion. In addition to Che and Jay (ha ha, it rhymes too 😄), we need a young Juke type striker just to switch things around a bit. 100%
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Post by BluenoseB on Apr 17, 2024 21:23:31 GMT
Che is consistently a 1 in 4 a game goalscorer, that translates to 10-12 goals a season. Am being greedy for wanting better than that? Does better than that exist with our budget or within our range of pulling power? Having said that I think he has a slightly higher average scoring rate at this level (he has 15 this season). I think I would prefer Stansfield if given the choice due to his age, apparent work rate and dedication to the cause. We could get both but wouldn’t address the much needed height and strength issues that have dogged our season thus far. All the clubs, bar Leicester have high teens and in the 20s goal scorers. When was the last time we had those kind of figures? Edit: just checked it was Che Adams 18/19 season with 22 😂 That's a broad brush without factoring the most important part... Adams has not really converted to EPL he probably never will. Of his 40 goals for them the 15 this season has been almost one in 2 from a games perspective and the goals per minutes which are now more widely focused on he has proven yet again that 15 goals at this level for him is good. We have to remember to get that guaranteed 20+ at this level is stuff that only parachute clubs can afford. Whilst developing at Blues his last season was 22 goals and a goal every 1,600 minutes so he has improved with age. It's just harder at top flight and we have to remember our current place in the game and what we can afford. Paying more for Stansfield for me is crazy. Yeah he could develop better but that's a judgment call. I'm assuming £8m for Stansfield plus 5 year deal on maybe £25k a week is going to be a committment to about £15m all in. Adams as a free you can probably pay him on a 3 year deal plus year option at around £30k basic with a healthy signing/loyalty bonus and save the cash. I'd love us to go for Poveda and perhaps try to loan Stansfield again as these 3 could forge quite a good attack. I would look at loaning Kieffer Moore if we do need a target rather than two smaller stature strikers. In midfield we need a bonafide central midfielder in the Barry Ferguson mold, a player with experience or you go for an outright standout loanee and that one is Cesare Casadei he's a talent for the future at Chelsea and was on loan half a season for Leicester as they didn't use him enough I believe. In defence we definitely need two centre backs and a keeper and with our full backs in mind these need to be solid experienced championship pro players. Conor Coady could be worth a shout and maybe look at Ben Cabango from Swansea one being a ball player and the other who can lead but has experienced football under people like Nuno. With the keeper I would like to loan Beadle. That's my take on it, not sure if the money will be there like most think so you'll have to sell Dembele, Bacuna and if we get big fee for JJ it gets paid for without worry of rule break. This is of course all assuming we are staying up! Coady is a great shout exactly thebtype of leader, character and experience the back 4 needs.
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Post by gammo on Apr 18, 2024 6:45:52 GMT
With Sheff Utd heading back down, would Trusty coming back be worth a shout?
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Post by thesauce16 on Apr 18, 2024 7:08:02 GMT
With Sheff Utd heading back down, would Trusty coming back be worth a shout? Tbh, I’m not sure. He’s really struggled this year, and I don’t see him as a Mowbray type of player, he isn’t a ‘ball player’. I’d take him if the price was sensible, but it’d have to be reasonable. Knowing we’re going into next year with Paik, James, Chang and Bielek as our contracted centre mid options, Hannibal is one I’d look at from last year. Right age profile, talented on the ball so would fit Moggas style and is a ‘nasty b@stard’ which I think we’ve missed the option of this year. He’s struggled to impose himself at Utd and Sevilla, so would think the price would be affordable. Having said that, there may be better options than both.
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Post by gammo on Apr 18, 2024 8:17:52 GMT
Stay in this division and I'd say Diallo is nailed on to join.
Let's not forget about Pritchard. Yes he's not had the best start but he was bought here by Mowbray who virtually went on leave straight away - definitely one for next season.
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Post by cnote on Apr 18, 2024 8:21:51 GMT
Diallo , won’t be coming why would he? He’s already proved he’s too good for the championship. His next move if not with Man U, is a gig with any premier team that wants him.
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Post by choc on Apr 18, 2024 8:48:20 GMT
Diallo , won’t be coming why would he? He’s already proved he’s too good for the championship. His next move if not with Man U, is a gig with any premier team that wants him. Agree. Also why would Trusty leave Sheffield for us 🤔
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Post by cnote on Apr 24, 2024 9:30:01 GMT
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Post by bubba on Apr 24, 2024 10:09:54 GMT
Stay in this division and I'd say Diallo is nailed on to join. Let's not forget about Pritchard. Yes he's not had the best start but he was bought here by Mowbray who virtually went on leave straight away - definitely one for next season. Think the Diallo ship has sailed, even if we stay up, but agree about Pritchard, he's been written off very very quickly by many despite barely getting on the pitch yet.
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Post by bubba on Apr 24, 2024 10:23:40 GMT
If we go down absolutely. I'd have had him this season and I have a sneaky feeling he'd have been a slight improvement on Burkey Burke. Next season though if we stay up? I honestly think we'll be targeting someone even better, from either a top academy/U-21 set up or from abroad. Please, please please please please please please please please please please please please let us stay up this season
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Post by almajir on Apr 24, 2024 11:45:01 GMT
Any evidence or just your gut feelings? Just my thoughts, hence use of the word ‘May’. No evidence, but I think he could be tempted! Believe he’s going to Wolves. Definitely ain’t coming back, I’m sure of that.
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Post by thesauce16 on Apr 24, 2024 13:04:43 GMT
Just my thoughts, hence use of the word ‘May’. No evidence, but I think he could be tempted! Believe he’s going to Wolves. Definitely ain’t coming back, I’m sure of that. Oh my, I’ve truly made it when the reluctant ‘Supporter of the year’ (or decade I my view 😜) replies to a comment of mine! Moot point anyway now, he won’t be coming to league1 that’s for sure!
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Post by blueinblack on Apr 24, 2024 13:58:26 GMT
Max Dean from MK Dons. Don’t hold the name against him.
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Post by cnote on Apr 24, 2024 14:05:46 GMT
If we go down absolutely. I'd have had him this season and I have a sneaky feeling he'd have been a slight improvement on Burkey Burke. Next season though if we stay up? I honestly think we'll be targeting someone even better, from either a top academy/U-21 set up or from abroad. Please, please please please please please please please please please please please please let us stay up this season He won’t drop to league one because the Palace, management team will want him going to a championship side. I definitely like the idea of getting in talent from the top academies especially as that’s where we’re most likely to find a good striker or two. I think this is where the loan market might be useful.
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Post by royalblue on Apr 24, 2024 15:49:45 GMT
I would imagine there are a few lined up or at least top of the wanted list on the basis we are a championship side next season. I just wonder how much thought as got into targets for league one if we go down? I really have no idea who we should target but I have not been impressed with Trusty this season, think a few of our contracted players will want moves if we go down and agree that Pritchard will have something to offer whichever league we are in. Not been a great start for him due to injury but think he is a very good footballer and there is a lot to come from him yet.
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Post by BluenoseB on Apr 24, 2024 17:24:57 GMT
I would imagine there are a few lined up or at least top of the wanted list on the basis we are a championship side next season. I just wonder how much thought as got into targets for league one if we go down? I really have no idea who we should target but I have not been impressed with Trusty this season, think a few of our contracted players will want moves if we go down and agree that Pritchard will have something to offer whichever league we are in. Not been a great start for him due to injury but think he is a very good footballer and there is a lot to come from him yet. I hope some of the contracted players want a move if we stat up tbh. Wouldnt shed a tear if we lost anyone thats how much i rate this squad, not for talent but for their gutless performances.
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Post by bignumbernine on Apr 24, 2024 17:32:42 GMT
Absolutely no chance Rak-Sakyi goes to League One. He was regularly getting on the bench for Palace in the first half of the season. I reckon we’d be lucky to get him in the Championship, to be honest.
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Post by cnote on Apr 24, 2024 19:46:05 GMT
He’s primed for a championship loan as Palace, have good options on the right.
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Post by blueinblack on Apr 24, 2024 20:43:44 GMT
Goalkeeper…..Henry Gray at Ipswich. He was on loan at Chelmsford but got recalled. Only 18 but is very, very good.
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Post by bubba on Apr 24, 2024 20:56:24 GMT
Goalkeeper…..Henry Gray at Ipswich. He was on loan at Chelmsford but got recalled. Only 18 but is very, very good. Has any promotion winning side in any professional division in this country made an 18 year old their first choice keeper? I'd guess not and I'd rather we didn't choose to be the first to test that unspoken rule. I complained last Summer about our defensive recruitment up until Long got brought in as an afterthought was a bunch of youngsters, 21, 22 and 23 year olds and said then there is no substitute for experience at the back. It's fine picking up some top youngsters but you need some experience to help them, and especially at the back and 18 imo is far far too young to be a first choice keeper in a championship side or a title winning div one side.
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