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Post by pimo on Apr 10, 2024 21:42:09 GMT
They said they couldn't play Rooney ball
They said they struggled without Mowbray
They said it was the coaching
They said it was the playing out
Well, now we are back to basics under a manager who knows what he's doing and guess what - they can't do that either!
It's the players. Pure and simple it's the players and to be honest, if I didn't see ANY of them in a Blues shirt again I'd be fine with that!
Laird was crap
Aiwu was worse
Sanderson needed to stop the cross
Buchanan let his man run off him
Bielik - best of a bad bunch
Paik - not what we need right now
JJ fuckin awful
Miyoshi our best attacker
Bacuna flattered to deceive
Stansfield ran around
Hogan - well when u see Hogan battling back and chasing more than the others you know you're fcuked!
Gardner - too late
Anderson - not sure he did anything at all
Drameh - who broke him? He was decent now he isn't!
Its just shit. And it's not the manager or 6 managers, its the players!
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Post by bubba on Apr 10, 2024 21:44:52 GMT
getting harder to argue against, also agree with most of those performance assessments from tonight
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Post by pimo on Apr 10, 2024 21:49:07 GMT
I'm sat 10 yards behind Rowett. I can hear and see him shouting to get the ball forward over and over and over again
Shouting simple instructions to Aiwu to Sanderson to Laird and what do they do - ignore the instructions.
The chances we had to get the balls forward and into the box and we didn't.
In the end after shouting over and over and over again - Rowett sat down.
Honestly, I'd fcuk the lot off.
Next match
Ruddy
Drameh
Roberts - if fit if not Sanderson
Bielik
Buchanan
Myoshi
Sunjic
Gardner
Dembele
Stansfield
Hogan
And pray with all you have got Jukey comes back after Cov!
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Post by gammo on Apr 10, 2024 21:51:57 GMT
EXACTLY this pimo ⬆️.
They say that some teams at this time of the season are on the beach because they've nothing to play for - sadly, that's where half of our team are right now because they know they won't be here after four more games.
I'd rather take a couple of those that won't be here either out of the team all together or at least some off the bench and freshen it up with Hall, Donovan, Dixon, etc , they can't do any worse.
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Post by bluescharlie on Apr 10, 2024 21:52:19 GMT
Definitely take some responsibility. But the constant churning of managers doesn’t help. And i can’t say this one has helped much either. I wouldn’t even say we’ve gone back to basics.
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Post by albert on Apr 10, 2024 22:04:05 GMT
I said time and again when people were blaming Rooney for the gutless performances after claret eustaces departure that this bunch of mercenary wankers had downed tools and were a bunch of c*nts that didn't give two shits about our club, and i 100% still stand by that. people should stop blaming anyone but these tossers that are getting paid handsomely by BCFC but couldn't give two Fcuks about the club i love. they are bottleless bastards that fans should stop sticking up for.
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Post by bignumbernine on Apr 10, 2024 22:29:37 GMT
I’d honestly bring some of the kids in. You cannot reward players performing at this level. They need dropping. I don’t give a shit anymore. At least have some bloody fight and heart about you. Tonight was pedestrian.
Get Donovan in. Where the hell has he gone? Get Hall in. Don’t give a shit if he’s not match fit. Josh Williams gerrim in. If Tommy Fogarty wasn’t out on loan, he’d be in as well.
These players are a shambles. Don’t deserve to wear the shirt.
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Post by TILTON on Apr 10, 2024 23:06:43 GMT
My team for the run in....My decision is influenced by not wanting to play players who may not have to carry the can next season.
4-1-4-1
Ruddy
Laird
Buchanan
Bielik
Sanderson - Would like to bring Roberts in but don't know if fit as our captain is A FRAUD!!!
Sunjic - One last hurrah!
Bacuna
Paik
Dozzell
Pritchard
Stansfield
Mayo
Hall
James - Looked devoid of ideas tonight
Miyoshi - Another that was poor in crucial positions tonight
Dembele - Might be worth one last try off the bench
Donovan
Dixon
Oakley
Toilet
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Post by cnote on Apr 10, 2024 23:57:16 GMT
I been saying this for months now that it’s the players not the manager. They do it in training but can’t do it when it matters.
Just hope if TM, doesn’t return we make the right appointment and that worries me because I’m not sure we will.
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Post by sapfo on Apr 11, 2024 5:26:02 GMT
I'm sat 10 yards behind Rowett. I can hear and see him shouting to get the ball forward over and over and over again Shouting simple instructions to Aiwu to Sanderson to Laird and what do they do - ignore the instructions. The chances we had to get the balls forward and into the box and we didn't. In the end after shouting over and over and over again - Rowett sat down. Honestly, I'd fcuk the lot off. Next match Ruddy Drameh Roberts - if fit if not Sanderson Bielik Buchanan Myoshi Sunjic Gardner Dembele Stansfield Hogan And pray with all you have got Jukey comes back after Cov! You will get 110% effort from the boys in the Middle in That squad. And it’s criminal that Dembele is being overlooked. You can talk about his tracking back all you like, but he’s attacking abilities are exactly what we need. |
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Post by cnote on Apr 11, 2024 5:52:51 GMT
The good news is we won’t be keeping a lot of these players if we go down. I would let every player go that wouldn’t fancy dropping to league one.
I’d try to build the team around home grown players like Hall, Donovan and Chang.
Hoover up the best available talent in league one and go for it. I’ve learnt our owners are allowed to give us donations that wouldn’t be allowed in the championship. I hope Tom takes advantage of this ruling.
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Post by Sammy Wren on Apr 11, 2024 11:18:32 GMT
They said they couldn't play Rooney ball They said they struggled without Mowbray They said it was the coaching They said it was the playing out Well, now we are back to basics under a manager who knows what he's doing and guess what - they can't do that either! It's the players. Pure and simple it's the players and to be honest, if I didn't see ANY of them in a Blues shirt again I'd be fine with that! Laird was crap Aiwu was worse Sanderson needed to stop the cross Buchanan let his man run off him Bielik - best of a bad bunch Paik - not what we need right now JJ fuckin awful Miyoshi our best attacker Bacuna flattered to deceive Stansfield ran around Hogan - well when u see Hogan battling back and chasing more than the others you know you're fcuked! Gardner - too late Anderson - not sure he did anything at all Drameh - who broke him? He was decent now he isn't! Its just shit. And it's not the manager or 6 managers, its the players! 100% this. |
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Post by jaystan on Apr 12, 2024 12:33:15 GMT
Shame that the players couldn't give a shit but its obvious that they don't care if there is a relegation on their CV. But here's to hoping they buck their ideas up but i wont be holding my breath
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Post by gammo on Apr 12, 2024 13:54:49 GMT
These players need to wise up that things have changed since they were last going out of contract.
Gone are the days of a club being relegated and it's better players leaving to sign up for a new club on the same sort of wages. Why would anyone look at a Hogan type and think 'He's scored a couple of goals, he's on £25k per week and he's just been relegated at his current club.....yeah, we'll take him'.
These types of playing should be busting their balls to get themselves noticed so that they get the best deal elsewhere - they'd be lucky to get £5k per week or even anything at all on current showings.
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Post by jaystan on Apr 12, 2024 14:46:44 GMT
Yeh agreed there Gammo, but looks like most of them really dont give a shit anymore which is a shame
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Post by choc on Apr 12, 2024 17:31:49 GMT
These players need to wise up that things have changed since they were last going out of contract. Gone are the days of a club being relegated and it's better players leaving to sign up for a new club on the same sort of wages. Why would anyone look at a Hogan type and think 'He's scored a couple of goals, he's on £25k per week and he's just been relegated at his current club.....yeah, we'll take him'. These types of playing should be busting their balls to get themselves noticed so that they get the best deal elsewhere - they'd be lucky to get £5k per week or even anything at all on current showings. Wouldn't surprise me if Hogan retired. |
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Post by BluenoseB on Apr 13, 2024 23:45:33 GMT
Does that performance today prove they are good enough and better than what they have produced throughout the season.
They have set the bar high now performance wise and will be well backed by away fans at rotherham and hudders and need to show the same intensity, will and desire to get the job done and see the season out. Play like we did today we should do that.
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Post by choc on Apr 14, 2024 9:27:48 GMT
Does that performance today prove they are good enough and better than what they have produced throughout the season. They have set the bar high now performance wise and will be well backed by away fans at rotherham and hudders and need to show the same intensity, will and desire to get the job done and see the season out. Play like we did today we should do that. Simple answer is no. The performance yesterday opens up more questions regarding their collective attitude as a group. Ability, they are the same players. Bacuna for example was poor again when he came on yesterday. Hogan missed a decent chance. James looked average again. Off the pitch the club is going through a revolution. On the pitch exactly the same is required. |
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Post by TILTON on Apr 14, 2024 11:57:18 GMT
We have two teams.
Those that play like they are a bunch of scared pussies.
Those that play like their lives depend on it.
Same players just night and day difference between them. We usually follow every monumental win with a loss!
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Post by bluenoserob on Apr 14, 2024 14:39:42 GMT
These players need to wise up that things have changed since they were last going out of contract. Gone are the days of a club being relegated and it's better players leaving to sign up for a new club on the same sort of wages. Why would anyone look at a Hogan type and think 'He's scored a couple of goals, he's on £25k per week and he's just been relegated at his current club.....yeah, we'll take him'. These types of playing should be busting their balls to get themselves noticed so that they get the best deal elsewhere - they'd be lucky to get £5k per week or even anything at all on current showings. Wouldn't surprise me if Hogan retired. I throught he had! |
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Post by bubba on Apr 14, 2024 16:00:35 GMT
Does that performance today prove they are good enough and better than what they have produced throughout the season. They have set the bar high now performance wise and will be well backed by away fans at rotherham and hudders and need to show the same intensity, will and desire to get the job done and see the season out. Play like we did today we should do that.
That's where I differ from choc, I do think the abiiity is there, it's the application, the effort, the desire that have been lacking, a bit of physicality too but they can't help that one. Terrific yesterday, hard to put the emotional rollercoaster of the past several days into words, luckily with this audience there's no need, we've all felt it.
However one swallow does not a Summer make, they've go to go out and do it again and again, that level of intensity. It won't guarantee anything but it' the very least they should be giving and tbf if they had shown that level every game we'd be having a very very different season.
I do think that performance though should end the converstions about players not contracted beyond this season not caring, never bought into it personally, you have to take players as individuals, some will care more than others regrdless of their contract situations. One of those that do care imo is Sanderson, I may not rate him as a player as much as Eustace does but have never thought he doesn't care, looked much more at ease yesterday with Bielik alongside him which is probably as close as he can get to having Long there from the current squad which was when he played his best this season.
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Post by honkybluenose on Apr 14, 2024 16:19:25 GMT
Does that performance today prove they are good enough and better than what they have produced throughout the season. They have set the bar high now performance wise and will be well backed by away fans at rotherham and hudders and need to show the same intensity, will and desire to get the job done and see the season out. Play like we did today we should do that. Personally I think they are lacking in strength of character rather than ability. If things go well they are fine. Any adversity that can’t cope |
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Post by choc on Apr 14, 2024 17:12:47 GMT
Does that performance today prove they are good enough and better than what they have produced throughout the season. They have set the bar high now performance wise and will be well backed by away fans at rotherham and hudders and need to show the same intensity, will and desire to get the job done and see the season out. Play like we did today we should do that.
That's where I differ from choc, I do think the abiiity is there, it's the application, the effort, the desire that have been lacking, a bit of physicality too but they can't help that one. Terrific yesterday, hard to put the emotional rollercoaster of the past several days into words, luckily with this audience there's no need, we've all felt it.
However one swallow does not a Summer make, they've go to go out and do it again and again, that level of intensity. It won't guarantee anything but it' the very least they should be giving and tbf if they had shown that level every game we'd be having a very very different season.
I do think that performance though should end the converstions about players not contracted beyond this season not caring, never bought into it personally, you have to take players as individuals, some will care more than others regrdless of their contract situations. One of those that do care imo is Sanderson, I may not rate him as a player as much as Eustace does but have never thought he doesn't care, looked much more at ease yesterday with Bielik alongside him which is probably as close as he can get to having Long there from the current squad which was when he played his best this season.
You can have loads of ability but if you don't have application, the effort, the desire plus consistency in your game, you aint much of a player. |
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Post by bubba on Apr 15, 2024 8:12:03 GMT
Agreed and have said this too, think Ravel Morrison vs Kevin Keegan, one was born to be an elite footballer and the other was not but the outcomes were completely different based entirely on desire and effort.
So you could argue Morrison was shit because he lacked the heart and fight to push himself. I just think that's an inaccurate description, it is what it is players with ability who either lack character, grit and heart or players with ability who too often have not applied themselves as they should because it's just in their nature to coast. Now the end result most of the time may be the same, but I still think there's a distinction and still think the players in the main are in fact decent, but only if they get their heads and hearts right, which isn't to say I don't get where you're coming from too.
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Post by choc on Apr 15, 2024 9:23:45 GMT
Agreed and have said this too, think Ravel Morrison vs Kevin Keegan, one was born to be an elite footballer and the other was not but the outcomes were completely different based entirely on desire and effort.
So you could argue Morrison was shit because he lacked the heart and fight to push himself. I just think that's an inaccurate description, it is what it is players with ability who either lack character, grit and heart or players with ability who too often have not applied themselves as they should because it's just in their nature to coast. Now the end result most of the time may be the same, but I still think there's a distinction and still think the players in the main are in fact decent, but only if they get their heads and hearts right, which isn't to say I don't get where you're coming from too.
If we survive, to move up as a club, I believe we need a mass clear out. This partly will happen anyway regarding contracts. But. I would certainly sell Bacuna and James should we receive offers. If we are relegated, squad decisions will change, but I think many will go. I think because we have all been watching so much dross over the past 10+ years we sometimes think a bang average footballer is good enough for us. This mindset has to change. We have ambitious owners. We as supporters of the club need to jump on that rolling wagon and insist on better players. That is the only way we will fill that 60,000 stadium. |
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Post by royalblue on Apr 15, 2024 10:10:28 GMT
Not really on board with the players not caring or trying to be honest. I think it is an easy out when results are going against you and is the same for supporters of other clubs. Now I am not arguing that in any particular game, any particular player lacked application on occasion but as a collective I don’t think that is true. For me the reasons are variable and include poor and lob sided recruitment, frequent tactical changes in play due to manager changes and lack of physicality particularly in the froward areas. We have been consistently poor at set pieces both attacking and defending; not had enough goals from our centre halves; don’t shot enough and struggle to break down sides who sit deep and counter attack us. No goals from Burke and Tyler Roberts have been telling and Hogan’s goal scoring falling off a cliff alarming given they are main strikers. We invite pressure because we lack goals. The decision to not beg, borrow or steal a striker in January was bordering on suicidal and might yet prove to be so. Tyler Robert’s is improving and played well on Saturday but does not at the moment look like scoring. I think he is a very intelligent footballer and hope we can keep him fit but it will be next season before we see the best of him. Saturday showed the players do care but for me the difference was getting a couple of goals a head. For once the the opposition were chasing the game and not them. Major changes in the summer whatever division we are in but the faults for this season amount to a lot more than players not caring or trying in my book.
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Post by bubba on Apr 15, 2024 10:51:06 GMT
Agreed and have said this too, think Ravel Morrison vs Kevin Keegan, one was born to be an elite footballer and the other was not but the outcomes were completely different based entirely on desire and effort.
So you could argue Morrison was shit because he lacked the heart and fight to push himself. I just think that's an inaccurate description, it is what it is players with ability who either lack character, grit and heart or players with ability who too often have not applied themselves as they should because it's just in their nature to coast. Now the end result most of the time may be the same, but I still think there's a distinction and still think the players in the main are in fact decent, but only if they get their heads and hearts right, which isn't to say I don't get where you're coming from too.
If we survive, to move up as a club, I believe we need a mass clear out. This partly will happen anyway regarding contracts. But. I would certainly sell Bacuna and James should we receive offers. If we are relegated, squad decisions will change, but I think many will go. I think because we have all been watching so much dross over the past 10+ years we sometimes think a bang average footballer is good enough for us. This mindset has to change. We have ambitious owners. We as supporters of the club need to jump on that rolling wagon and insist on better players. That is the only way we will fill that 60,000 stadium.
I'm very much aligned with your thinking here. Have seen multiple posts (not just on here) calling for new contracts for Sunjic and Anderson but also Juke and to a lesser degree Ruddy. The thing is in order for the club to move on then space has to be made in the squad for better signings, if we cling on to decent but ultimately not good enough footballers and worse still re-sign some to new deals, then why should we expect much vastly different to what has gone before?
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Post by choc on Apr 15, 2024 12:29:43 GMT
Not really on board with the players not caring or trying to be honest. I think it is an easy out when results are going against you and is the same for supporters of other clubs. Now I am not arguing that in any particular game, any particular player lacked application on occasion but as a collective I don’t think that is true. For me the reasons are variable and include poor and lob sided recruitment, frequent tactical changes in play due to manager changes and lack of physicality particularly in the froward areas. We have been consistently poor at set pieces both attacking and defending; not had enough goals from our centre halves; don’t shot enough and struggle to break down sides who sit deep and counter attack us. No goals from Burke and Tyler Roberts have been telling and Hogan’s goal scoring falling off a cliff alarming given they are main strikers. We invite pressure because we lack goals. The decision to not beg, borrow or steal a striker in January was bordering on suicidal and might yet prove to be so. Tyler Robert’s is improving and played well on Saturday but does not at the moment look like scoring. I think he is a very intelligent footballer and hope we can keep him fit but it will be next season before we see the best of him. Saturday showed the players do care but for me the difference was getting a couple of goals a head. For once the the opposition were chasing the game and not them. Major changes in the summer whatever division we are in but the faults for this season amount to a lot more than players not caring or trying in my book. So are you honestly saying that you haven't seen a lack of commitment in games this season? Because I have. Cardiff the most recent. I agree with you regarding other issues you raise but Hogan for one is not interested. Others have had questionable attitude at various parts of the season. Some have pointed out that we haven't faced one pen this season so that must point to our defensive play being world class or.......... something else. |
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Post by jaystan on Apr 15, 2024 12:34:56 GMT
I am with choc on this one. i get everyone has dips in form but it seems for some time its looked like the players were playing like headless chickens and didnt know what to do. Hoping Gary Rowett can get some kind of stability for the remaining games and ensure we stay out of the bottom 3. But the Rotherham is a massive game we need to win.
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Post by choc on Apr 15, 2024 12:53:55 GMT
I am with choc on this one. i get everyone has dips in form but it seems for some time its looked like the players were playing like headless chickens and didnt know what to do. Hoping Gary Rowett can get some kind of stability for the remaining games and ensure we stay out of the bottom 3. But the Rotherham is a massive game we need to win. Just tell the players that if they don' win then they all walk home 🤣🤣 |
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