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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 14:09:54 GMT
I just read a lot then decipher from what I read in order to separate the political agenda.
I am still a staunch believer that change is needed and if there is a short term pinch it’s worth it.
When you consider the size of UK but still 5th biggest economy in the world that shows change should hold no fear.
I have suffered financial hardship and redundancy and seen ridiculous mortgage rates and high unemployment whilst in the EU so I don’t fear something like that as you are only supposed to fear the unknown.
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Post by Bluenose 68 on Nov 22, 2019 14:29:15 GMT
In many ways I don’t disagree
In fact on that logic being such a strong economy we should arguably be taking a punt on corbynism to try and make all our lives a bit better
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 14:37:17 GMT
In many ways I don’t disagree In fact on that logic being such a strong economy we should arguably be taking a punt on corbynism to try and make all our lives a bit better Ooh that’s a radical thought. Making life better for those who are worst off. Couldn’t agree more 68, but since Thatcher we’ve had an “I’m-all-right-Jack” society, so as the worst off are always in the minority they’ve got no chance until lots of those who are comfortably off decide to be unselfish. To quote Buddy Holly, “That’ll be the day ...”
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Nov 22, 2019 15:01:52 GMT
In many ways I don’t disagree In fact on that logic being such a strong economy we should arguably be taking a punt on corbynism to try and make all our lives a bit better Ooh that’s a radical thought. Making life better for those who are worst off. Couldn’t agree more 68, but since Thatcher we’ve had an “I’m-all-right-Jack” society, so as the worst off are always in the minority they’ve got no chance until lots of those who are comfortably off decide to be unselfish.
To quote Buddy Holly, “That’ll be the day ...” 👍
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Post by bluenoserob on Nov 22, 2019 15:19:26 GMT
One of the biggest problems regarding immigration is the fact that our benefits system is much more generous than those of other countries in the EU. In my opinion this is and always will be the main reason why the EU isn’t working satisfactory to so many people who live in this country. The reason why so many people are so eager to come here. People who have made no contribution to our society, but see us as an easy touch. This would not happen if state pensions, benefits, including dole money, income tax and VAT and of course our NHS were all the same throughout the EU. If they were the same rates across the EU we would not have anywhere near the population explosion that has made such a drain on our housing, schools, hospitals etc. Immigration is a concern if it’s bleeding us dry, with no return.
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Nov 22, 2019 15:34:32 GMT
But that assumes all immigrants are not contributing to society. What about all the immigrant who end up working in important sectors such as the NHS, Social care and in many low paid menial jobs? each one of those is earning money and contributing to the multiplier effect which is beneficial to the economy
An increasing population is a fact of life. It has been expanding since we homo sapiens first started walking on this earth.
Yes an increasing population, and some of that is migration but also can be pointed at people living longer, fewer infant deaths and a whole range of other factors.
So yes it puts pressure on housing, schools and hospitals- but the finger should be pointed more at government for not building those houses, cutting school budgets and not building enough hospitals.
far easier to point the finger at the different coloured person down the road though.....which is funnily enough what the elite would prefer us to do....its not called divide and conquer for no reason
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 18:31:12 GMT
But that assumes all immigrants are not contributing to society. What about all the immigrant who end up working in important sectors such as the NHS, Social care and in many low paid menial jobs? each one of those is earning money and contributing to the multiplier effect which is beneficial to the economy An increasing population is a fact of life. It has been expanding since we homo sapiens first started walking on this earth. Yes an increasing population, and some of that is migration but also can be pointed at people living longer, fewer infant deaths and a whole range of other factors. So yes it puts pressure on housing, schools and hospitals- but the finger should be pointed more at government for not building those houses, cutting school budgets and not building enough hospitals. far easier to point the finger at the different coloured person down the road though.....which is funnily enough what the elite would prefer us to do....its not called divide and conquer for no reason You and I are on the wrong forum 68. As we both know immigrants, especially those from the EU, contribute far more to the exchequer than they claim. They’re not allowed to stay if they can’t support themselves after 3 months. I know someone from France who is a lecturer in law at Exeter University, and someone else from the Czech Republic who also works at the Uni. Both are married to UK citizens, both earn above average salaries, both pay UK income tax and National Insurance. The problem is that they speak perfectly grammatical Engish (far better than some on here) but have funny accents. Need I say more? 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 18:42:37 GMT
I don't think people have a problem with foreigners working here,it's the ones that come here without a job to go to that are the problem.I don't see a problem if the Government stopped people coming here if they don't have jobs lined up.
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Post by Bn68 on Nov 22, 2019 19:35:15 GMT
I don't think people have a problem with foreigners working here,it's the ones that come here without a job to go to that are the problem.I don't see a problem if the Government stopped people coming here if they don't have jobs lined up. The mad thing is it’s totally within the governments gift to control it irrespective of Brexit ukandeu.ac.uk/we-can-control-eu-migration-we-just-havent-done-it/But it’s far easier to whip up people’s fears of those different people taking our jobs AND claiming benefits than actually managing immigration
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 22:41:54 GMT
I don't think people have a problem with foreigners working here,it's the ones that come here without a job to go to that are the problem.I don't see a problem if the Government stopped people coming here if they don't have jobs lined up. The mad thing is it’s totally within the governments gift to control it irrespective of Brexit ukandeu.ac.uk/we-can-control-eu-migration-we-just-havent-done-it/But it’s far easier to whip up people’s fears of those different people taking our jobs AND claiming benefits than actually managing immigration For over 20 years of no government has done anything about it. For every Czech lecturer that Will knows there’s a dozen Romanian scrap metal merchants that register as self employed in order to claim benefits. Half the Somalian drug dealers are here on Dutch or Swedish passports. So many loopholes to exploit. The effects were f this is felt more in working class communities than middle class ones. The only middle class concern about housing is how much your property is worth now. There’s people out there with kids who would love a flat in a tower block that are sleeping on their parents floors because they can’t afford private rents and the council hasn’t got enough properties.
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Post by leather on Nov 23, 2019 4:58:09 GMT
Many reasons mate, mainly due to immigration that merkel was responsible for. The strengthening and adoptation of eu rules (degrading of sovereignty). The idea of contributing billions into a united states of europe under a federalistic eu that cant even get their accounts signed off disgusts me. Its corrupt Will just look at the people theyve appointed as the new leaders. And yet you’re happy to vote for Johnson? Tbf Tilts hit the nail on the head along with the other chap. Hes not everything i would wish for but hes the best of a bad bunch.
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Post by leather on Nov 23, 2019 5:32:02 GMT
For over 20 years of no government has done anything about it. For every Czech lecturer that Will knows there’s a dozen Romanian scrap metal merchants that register as self employed in order to claim benefits. Half the Somalian drug dealers are here on Dutch or Swedish passports. So many loopholes to exploit. The effects were f this is felt more in working class communities than middle class ones. The only middle class concern about housing is how much your property is worth now. There’s people out there with kids who would love a flat in a tower block that are sleeping on their parents floors because they can’t afford private rents and the council hasn’t got enough properties. Very much this. Selly 👏👏👏👏
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 8:43:20 GMT
It has also been shown that many foreign women come over when they are about to give birth. Why ? Because it's free.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 14:08:13 GMT
My biggest beef about economic migrants is largely we have a high level of unskilled workers coming over.
So they will be effectively taking up positions where our youth would normally step on the ladder.
My mate works in security and his firm give all the longer hours jobs to those that can be paid less due their status in the uk.
If you earn minimum wage the contribution in tax per year is approximately £1,600 or thereabouts so if you have a young family that tax somehow has to go towards doctors, hospitals and schools etc.
Yes it’s the same for a younger uk born person but they have parents who will be likely to have paid in to the pot.
And the big glaring obvious is like it or not people from overseas are likely to have more children. This ain’t a dig it’s just cultural that people from Middle East or African or Asian decent will be naturally more into having kids. Not out of greed it’s just handed down through generations like in Africa where most would have lots of kid’s due having someone to survive them as the high death rate in babies due to conditions.
Plus a lot of these are also religious and probably don’t believe in contraception etc.
This leads to my gripe with climate change. Population growth is by far the biggest threat. People belly ache about the amount of carbon when in reality it’s just going to get worse when there are 20 billion and the planet needs to start thinking of financial penalties if you want big families.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 15:08:34 GMT
For over 20 years of no government has done anything about it. For every Czech lecturer that Will knows there’s a dozen Romanian scrap metal merchants that register as self employed in order to claim benefits. Half the Somalian drug dealers are here on Dutch or Swedish passports. So many loopholes to exploit. The effects were f this is felt more in working class communities than middle class ones. The only middle class concern about housing is how much your property is worth now. There’s people out there with kids who would love a flat in a tower block that are sleeping on their parents floors because they can’t afford private rents and the council hasn’t got enough properties. Wow! Just wow! 12 illegals for every one legal EU immigrant?
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Post by Bn68 on Nov 23, 2019 18:11:25 GMT
The billionaires who own the right wing media must be fcuking laughing
All they need to do is demonise Corbyn and whip up some easy anti immigrant fears in the working classes and still people blindly vote Tory
If only people weren’t so easily led
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 18:17:01 GMT
The billionaires who own the right wing media must be fcuking laughing All they need to do is demonise Corbyn and whip up some easy anti immigrant fears in the working classes and still people blindly vote Tory If only people weren’t so easily led Laughing all the way to the bank mate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 19:41:33 GMT
They don't have to demonise Corbyn,he's doing a good enough job himself.
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Post by leather on Nov 23, 2019 22:08:44 GMT
Anyone else seen whats happening at star city?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 22:20:00 GMT
For over 20 years of no government has done anything about it. For every Czech lecturer that Will knows there’s a dozen Romanian scrap metal merchants that register as self employed in order to claim benefits. Half the Somalian drug dealers are here on Dutch or Swedish passports. So many loopholes to exploit. The effects were f this is felt more in working class communities than middle class ones. The only middle class concern about housing is how much your property is worth now. There’s people out there with kids who would love a flat in a tower block that are sleeping on their parents floors because they can’t afford private rents and the council hasn’t got enough properties. Wow! Just wow! 12 illegals for every one legal EU immigrant? For over 20 years of no government has done anything about it. For every Czech lecturer that Will knows there’s a dozen Romanian scrap metal merchants that register as self employed in order to claim benefits. Half the Somalian drug dealers are here on Dutch or Swedish passports. So many loopholes to exploit. The effects were f this is felt more in working class communities than middle class ones. The only middle class concern about housing is how much your property is worth now. There’s people out there with kids who would love a flat in a tower block that are sleeping on their parents floors because they can’t afford private rents and the council hasn’t got enough properties. Wow! Just wow! 12 illegals for every one legal EU immigrant? Did I say illegals?!? No, all are here legitimately but some, not all come for generous benefits. I work with a Romanian who told me this is an issue with the Roma community in Romania and have first hand experience of dealing with their lack of business acumen. Put it this way it’s way to easy to set up a limited company blag your earnings to the dole and reap full child tax credits. Most Somalians are here because they hold European passports. We have too many indigenous shirkers happy to live the benefit lifestyle. I don’t see why they can’t be bussed down to Cornwall for a week to pick fruit. When I was at school I would spend a week of my summer holidays bean picking in Worcestershire and earned enough to have a great rest of the holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:53:14 GMT
There are 400,000 French people living in London alone. If each of them was replicated by 12 Romanian scrap metal dealers, there’d be 4,800,000 of the feckers.
Look Selly, you know I get on well with you, but ffs don’t go spreading utter shit like this ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 9:54:41 GMT
How many of those French living in London were born in France. I probably exaggerated with the dozen for every legitimate European here but there are a large proportion drawn here with the generous benefits that are on offer. Maybe my experience is different to yours because in the job I do I only see the worst of people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:54:55 GMT
Look, there is already legislation in place that enables the government to get rid of EU citizens after 3 months if they can’t support themselves. Use that legislation effectively and the Romanian scrap metal dealers will be gone, leaving the French and Czech University employees who pay thousands every year into our coffers to live their lives in peace.
The bad people will always be with us. Punish them, not the good people.
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Nov 24, 2019 13:53:17 GMT
Anyone else seen whats happening at star city? Yep are you really surprised? I wouldnt go down even if Selly offered me a snog!
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Post by bluenoserob on Nov 24, 2019 15:58:16 GMT
If we had had a level playing field from the start we wouldn’t be in this sad situation now. The US don’t have this problem of people making their way to one state because that states benefits and pensions and VAT are better than the other 51 states. There will never be contentment within the EU unless all benefits are exactly the same in every country. Of course we need the staff who work for the NHS. Ditto the building industry The hotels all over the country Farm workers. In my opinion it would also have helped if we had joined the Euro also. It wouldn’t have been the end of the world not having the £ The euro has been stronger for years. But, we have attracted not just hard working people like the Polish who have fitted in so well. The poorer countries like Albania, Romania, Bulgaria and however they all got here the Somalians have caused massive distrust amongst our population with a very high percentage resorting to crime gangs, some bordering the Mafia. If we had been on a level field from the start we wouldn’t have had so many thousand immigrants moving over to take advantage of our generosity with benefits. And our country wouldn’t be split down the middle with Leavers and Remainers.
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Post by expatjohn on Nov 24, 2019 16:00:09 GMT
Anyone else seen whats happening at star city? Yep are you really surprised? I wouldnt go down even if Selly offered me a snog! I bet you don't say that to all the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 18:50:14 GMT
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Nov 24, 2019 19:49:37 GMT
Ffs dont get me started on the TV licence
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Post by leather on Nov 24, 2019 23:45:53 GMT
I likes Laura 😍 u do know thats a parody account dont u Will?
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Post by expatjohn on Nov 25, 2019 1:13:17 GMT
Certainly seems so Leather. I'm sure LK knows how to spell licence.
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