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Post by bluenoserob on Nov 30, 2019 8:55:28 GMT
Out of all the terrorist attacks in London plus the one in Manchester.
What percentage of these attack’s would you say we’re committed by Islamic extremists?
Should we all be politically correct and say nothing.
Or to be concerned about our citizens being slaughtered should we say what an outrage this is , and then be told we are islamophobic?
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 30, 2019 19:24:43 GMT
You can say Asian. You can't say the M word. Now go and light some candles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 14:54:14 GMT
It’s that elephant in the room again.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but sadly 99% of the attacks are Muslim.
But I guess people will say we pushed them to it!!!
The biggest beef for me is religion in its entirety. Throughout life alongside religion the various religions have all had people killing whilst using their own translation of their books to say it’s gods will or it says so in this book!
fcuk religion off that’s what I say.
How many deaths caused by it?
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Post by sapfo on Dec 2, 2019 18:16:40 GMT
I'm in a huge group chat, and a bloke I'd consider a level headed Muslim guy things that this recent attack is a setup to tar Muslims. Majid Nawaz, who does a good show on LBC, is a self confessed ex Islamic extremist, and also a Muslim, thinks that the Muslim community are in total denial.
When it comes to Islam, they almost always back their own blindly.
A primary teacher in a school in an 'Asian' area, recently told me that she had been doing a lessons and had touched on the Holocaust. She had many parents complain the next day that they'd been teaching about Jews being persecuted, but not Muslims. The kids would not entertain Jews being persecuted. It is brain washing child abuse.
Islam in it's most popular practiced form, is a cancer on this planet.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 2, 2019 18:41:47 GMT
It’s that elephant in the room again. Not all Muslims are terrorists but sadly 99% of the attacks are Muslim. But I guess people will say we pushed them to it!!! The biggest beef for me is religion in its entirety. Throughout life alongside religion the various religions have all had people killing whilst using their own translation of their books to say it’s gods will or it says so in this book! fcuk religion off that’s what I say. How many deaths caused by it? Mr 'Part and parcel' did. He blamed the Conservatives. He also didn't want to use his name, or at least didn't - Khan What grinds my gears is, the government & media just don't want to use the word Muslim (unless one helped someone) I don't think anyone is under the impression that the majority of Muslims are bad. Regardless of what they say. I'm sure we've all come across some great Muslims. But they don't appear to get particularly outraged by what's done in their name. Say something true (but negative) about them, and oh boy, do they kick up a fuss. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:38:03 GMT
That’s similar to corbs and his inability to condemn.
It should come really natural for anyone to condemn any sick attack without fear of upsetting anyone. For me those who won’t condemn may as well say they support an attack.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 2, 2019 20:43:31 GMT
Unfortunately it's not just him. No-one who's voice has national reach speak plainly.
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 3, 2019 15:48:59 GMT
Im always curious as to how these sort of incidents are reported. An act that has mass casulaties ie 9/11, paris attacks or Andreas brevik is terrorism...but a stabbing?
2 people were stabbed to death on london bridge by a Muslim chap and its terrorism
The young lad who got stabbed to death in Solihull at the weekend by a random gang- how is that different and why doesnt that get national coverage?
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Post by sapfo on Dec 3, 2019 17:54:27 GMT
Because the Muslim guy done it in the name of his twister version of his ideology.
The kid in Solihull was probably accidentally bumped into by the guy he stabbed.
If you cannot differentiate between the two, then you are part of the problem.
What side did you take in the LGBT issue in Small Heath? The LGBT side, or the Muslims?
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Post by Bluenose 68 on Dec 3, 2019 20:10:11 GMT
Because the Muslim guy done it in the name of his twister version of his ideology. The kid in Solihull was probably accidentally bumped into by the guy he stabbed. If you cannot differentiate between the two, then you are part of the problem. What side did you take in the LGBT issue in Small Heath? The LGBT side, or the Muslims? What a strange answer So you’ve said one has done it because he has a twisted version of his religion in his head And the other was the victims fault cos he walked into the wrong person....that doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps I’m not the one with the problem....? As for the LGBT issue in small heath. The protesters were wrong. A school is there to educate not to preach beliefs And look at that’s is possible to be able to be objective and critical of actions of different people who follow one religion. Fancy that |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 4, 2019 12:23:31 GMT
I'm actually with the Muslims on this one. Let young children be children whilst they stall have chance. They don't need any sex lessons. Good grief, do they have a test afterwards ?
Senior school children (or are they nauseatingly called high school children these days ?) don't need them either. All they need to know is - it's illegal, you can get up the stick, and might get a dodgy disease. Which should be obvious, anyway.
Might be funny if some of them start telling the teacher about the variations in their own methods, and have a big debate about the best way to get off, in their experience.
I would be amazed if there are any 16 plus kids who have not had a lesson, getting taken completely by surprise that their periods have stopped as a result of a bit of hands, knees and bumps a daisy.
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Post by bluenoserob on Dec 4, 2019 13:27:01 GMT
I must admit I’m not comfortable about young kids having this subject as part of their corriculum.
Surely at such a young age they shouldn’t be learning anything but basic reading, writing and arithmetic?
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 4, 2019 14:37:52 GMT
I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old- both in a CofE School. This subject is on the curriculum but at those ages its no where near as graphic and hysterical as the tabloids would have you believe.
A simple awareness of different beliefs and lifestyle choices is healthy education.
And for those that say "at that age shouldnt they be learning about reading writing etc.......my kids have asked far more difficult questions when they see the news on GMB/bbc before school, or from things they see on Youtube
What is very clear that across a mix of faiths- at that age kids dont see the 'differences' we as adults see.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 4, 2019 14:46:17 GMT
OK. Regardless of which way you decide, should you decide these things about your children, or should the state ?
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Post by Bn68 on Dec 4, 2019 18:36:08 GMT
OK. Regardless of which way you decide, should you decide these things about your children, or should the state ? The state should provide everyone with a basic level of knowledge. That knowledge should be based on simple facts and evidence Ie what is Christianity? What is Islam? What is atheism? What is 2+2? What is the solar system etc |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 4, 2019 18:58:44 GMT
OK. Regardless of which way you decide, should you decide these things about your children, or should the state ? The state should provide everyone with a basic level of knowledge. That knowledge should be based on simple facts and evidence Ie what is Christianity? What is Islam? What is atheism? What is 2+2? What is the solar system etc Perfectly valid view, thank you. I wouldn't say that sex, all sex, not just these alphabet people, is really a must know 'basic level' bit of knowledge for infant and junior school kids. I think everyone my age got along just fine without teachers spreading the word. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, who has ownership of the children ? Their parents, or the state ? Who should decide what is suitable / beneficial / appropriate ? It may be in this case, someone thinks the state should decide. This means the state should force it's will over the better judgement of the parents. The state's will, shall change, depending on who is in charge. What is one government's will, may be the opposite of another government's will. The rights and wrongs of the matter, won't change, just the labelling. And if you're not careful, the enforcement. One day, the state's will might not suit you. But the damage is done. The state owns the children. And if the state thinks your 14 year old daughter should be made to shower will boys who identify as a girl, you have nothing to say about it. It's the state's daughter. |
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Post by BN68 on Dec 5, 2019 7:23:33 GMT
It’s a fair point-and trust me I have enough reservations about where we are going as a country under our current (and soon to be future) administration
However I also look at it from the other perspective. The state has to be there to give every child a base grounding and education because sadly whilst there are a huge proportion of genuinely loving parents-there are also a lot of children who have parents who
A) Don’t give a fcuk
B) Would impart their own (funda) mental views on the world
C) not have the education themselves to be able to impart that knowledge on their children
Also whilst I get the “it didn’t hurt me when I was a kid” unfortunately the world is a different place these days. Children’s ability to access the internet has exposed them to opportunities to get access to a whole range of information we as children would only ever heard about through playground urban myths.
I would say that sex Ed at my children’s school is more about children being able to understand appropriate and inappropriate behaviour rather than teaching them the graphic mechanics of how we procreate
Good to have a civil sensible debate on this subject tho.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 5, 2019 11:12:09 GMT
Yes it is, thank you. As for item A, get rid of the practice of paying people more by the kid, and that one should soon sort itself out.
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Post by sapfo on Dec 5, 2019 17:48:40 GMT
OK. Regardless of which way you decide, should you decide these things about your children, or should the state ? The state should provide everyone with a basic level of knowledge. That knowledge should be based on simple facts and evidence Ie what is Christianity? What is Islam? What is atheism? What is 2+2? What is the solar system etc I’d rather they taught kids about how APR works. How to set up & DD & a standing order. How to budget. How to sign up to basic utility services. How to search for the best Utility deals. About council tax. Rent. Mortages. How to set up & run a small business. How to file a self assessment. Nutrition. Diabetes. Blah blah blah...!! All of this is vital, yet, we are still teaching kids about sky fairies. Absolute bollocks! Also, How To say please & thank you. How to queue. These are what makes us British. Manners & respect are lost nowdays. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:12:19 GMT
The state should provide everyone with a basic level of knowledge. That knowledge should be based on simple facts and evidence Ie what is Christianity? What is Islam? What is atheism? What is 2+2? What is the solar system etc I’d rather they taught kids about how APR works. How to set up & DD & a standing order. How to budget. How to sign up to basic utility services. How to search for the best Utility deals. About council tax. Rent. Mortages. How to set up & run a small business. How to file a self assessment. Nutrition. Diabetes. Blah blah blah...!! All of this is vital, yet, we are still teaching kids about sky fairies. Absolute bollocks! Also, How To say please & thank you. How to queue. These are what makes us British. Manners & respect are lost nowdays. I’m sorry, but by far the most ignorant, the least likely to queue properly, and the least likely to say “please” and “thank you” are older people. |
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Post by Bn68 on Dec 5, 2019 19:18:57 GMT
The state should provide everyone with a basic level of knowledge. That knowledge should be based on simple facts and evidence Ie what is Christianity? What is Islam? What is atheism? What is 2+2? What is the solar system etc I’d rather they taught kids about how APR works. How to set up & DD & a standing order. How to budget. How to sign up to basic utility services. How to search for the best Utility deals. About council tax. Rent. Mortages. How to set up & run a small business. How to file a self assessment. Nutrition. Diabetes. Blah blah blah...!! All of this is vital, yet, we are still teaching kids about sky fairies. Absolute bollocks! Also, How To say please & thank you. How to queue. These are what makes us British. Manners & respect are lost nowdays. You want to teach APR and how to shop for utilities to a 6 year old? wow |
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Post by sapfo on Dec 5, 2019 20:11:06 GMT
Not 6 no. Older kids
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 23:00:20 GMT
Cognitive dissonance in Hall Green Ward with Roger Godsiff supporting the protestors and momentum bringing in an Asian candidate.
As far LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 the Q stands for Queer, who and what is a Queer and is it ok to use that to describe someone now?
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 6, 2019 12:48:01 GMT
Cognitive dissonance in Hall Green Ward with Roger Godsiff supporting the protestors and momentum bringing in an Asian candidate. As far LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 the Q stands for Queer, who and what is a Queer and is it ok to use that to describe someone now? And what's a plus ? And which letter gets precedent when considering who's feeling might get hurt ? I don't know. Probably not worth worrying about, there will probably be a few more letters to get to grips with by Christmas. |
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