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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:04:03 GMT
I have mentioned GE before a few times to the staff at work and there have been various lunchtime chats.
My company only employ 35 people of which around 15 under age of 30 and the vast majority of them don’t even know about GE next week. One even said what is it for!!
It’s more laughable that they all are on Facebook all day and yet despite the deluge of political jousting and fake news none of them have noticed it!!!
5 are students formerly and clearly having carried their debt you would think they would be engaged in politics as I know plenty of students are up for anyone like corbs who is promising stuff like no student debt.
I find it so self involved of the modern generation that they don’t look up from their phones to see what’s going on in the world.
The next few generations will destroy the society as we know it. Most days I sit in my office with two females under 25 in silence it’s just so bloody boring.
It’s probably why I argue the toss with you lot lol
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 5, 2019 12:31:15 GMT
I think most people only really start getting involved taking an interest in politics when it genuinely affects them- so that normally means when you have a proper job, mortgage and kids
Politics and social affairs arent taught about at school and so why would you be interested in something you have little knowledge or exposure too
Incidentally my older sister has absolutely no interest in politics. Shes an accountant, who runs her own business and shes in her forties so is pretty switched on.
Her view is she has very little power to change anything anyway and whatever will happen will happen so why spend your life stressing about it. I almost envy her having that view.
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 5, 2019 12:33:59 GMT
I would also say how much of any of us are really taking an active interest in politics anyway?
Debating it on a message board? Reading pointless posts on FB? Even voting for a party isnt really taking part.
For the first time ever im attending my local constituency hustings event next week- purely because i want to get to know the 4 candidates better and because i want to be able to have my say on what i think they should be prioritising as my MP. I will pick my candidate based on that rather than boris vs corbyn
Feels a far more constructive way of being involved and interested than just picking a side and voting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:38:56 GMT
I would also say how much of any of us are really taking an active interest in politics anyway? Debating it on a message board? Reading pointless posts on FB? Even voting for a party isnt really taking part. For the first time ever im attending my local constituency hustings event next week- purely because i want to get to know the 4 candidates better and because i want to be able to have my say on what i think they should be prioritising as my MP. I will pick my candidate based on that rather than boris vs corbyn Feels a far more constructive way of being involved and interested than just picking a side and voting Well that’s the way it should be. It’s bad enough when people vote FOR a party leader and nothing else, but when it’s a case of voting AGAINST a party leader, then that’s when democracy is going down the pan. As for the engagement of kids in politics, well it’s no different in their age group than it is in any other. Remember the old woman in Bristol when the last election was announced? |
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 5, 2019 12:55:53 GMT
I think it would also help if MPs were reflective of the wider society that we live in. Thats not a lefty way of saying i want transgender vegans etc etc all over the place- but people who genuinely represent the people from the areas they are MP for.
The crazy thing is so many people will have strong political views but wont know who their local MP is, and even their track record for what they have voted for and delivered in their local community
I cant stand the Tories for a whole host of reasons- but my local MP was Caroline Spellman. Whilst i disagree with the politics of her party i have quite a bit of respect for what she did for our local area
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 5, 2019 13:01:54 GMT
I have mentioned GE before a few times to the staff at work and there have been various lunchtime chats. My company only employ 35 people of which around 15 under age of 30 and the vast majority of them don’t even know about GE next week. One even said what is it for!! It’s more laughable that they all are on Facebook all day and yet despite the deluge of political jousting and fake news none of them have noticed it!!! 5 are students formerly and clearly having carried their debt you would think they would be engaged in politics as I know plenty of students are up for anyone like corbs who is promising stuff like no student debt. I find it so self involved of the modern generation that they don’t look up from their phones to see what’s going on in the world. The next few generations will destroy the society as we know it. Most days I sit in my office with two females under 25 in silence it’s just so bloody boring. It’s probably why I argue the toss with you lot lol Some things Intelligent people under 30 I've worked with, had never heard of: The charge at Balaclava The Alamo Dunkirk (before the recent film) D Day Geronimo Little Big Horn The Indian mutiny Rorke's Drift Agincourt The gold standard Spanish armada sufferin succotash, including "Was that Daffy Duck?" |
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Post by Bluenose_68 on Dec 5, 2019 13:04:50 GMT
TBF im nearly in my forties and embrassingly i know very little about 70% of those topics And i was fortunate to go to one of the best state schools in the midlands Theres not much i couldnt tell you about the battle of hastings though  |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 5, 2019 13:21:25 GMT
But you have heard of them ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:38:16 GMT
I would make it mandatory and you get a day off work but make proven attendance a way that the employer can take that leave day back
Fair enough some may spoil the ballot but I think getting a day off and attending may trigger people to think about voting if they have to go and do it anyway.
Even now if the non voters all voted for the one party they would win.
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Dec 5, 2019 14:08:15 GMT
I have mentioned GE before a few times to the staff at work and there have been various lunchtime chats. My company only employ 35 people of which around 15 under age of 30 and the vast majority of them don’t even know about GE next week. One even said what is it for!! It’s more laughable that they all are on Facebook all day and yet despite the deluge of political jousting and fake news none of them have noticed it!!! 5 are students formerly and clearly having carried their debt you would think they would be engaged in politics as I know plenty of students are up for anyone like corbs who is promising stuff like no student debt. I find it so self involved of the modern generation that they don’t look up from their phones to see what’s going on in the world. The next few generations will destroy the society as we know it. Most days I sit in my office with two females under 25 in silence it’s just so bloody boring. It’s probably why I argue the toss with you lot lol R they fit? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 15:39:03 GMT
I have mentioned GE before a few times to the staff at work and there have been various lunchtime chats. My company only employ 35 people of which around 15 under age of 30 and the vast majority of them don’t even know about GE next week. One even said what is it for!! It’s more laughable that they all are on Facebook all day and yet despite the deluge of political jousting and fake news none of them have noticed it!!! 5 are students formerly and clearly having carried their debt you would think they would be engaged in politics as I know plenty of students are up for anyone like corbs who is promising stuff like no student debt. I find it so self involved of the modern generation that they don’t look up from their phones to see what’s going on in the world. The next few generations will destroy the society as we know it. Most days I sit in my office with two females under 25 in silence it’s just so bloody boring. It’s probably why I argue the toss with you lot lol R they fit? 😂 |
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Post by bluenoserob on Dec 5, 2019 17:08:53 GMT
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R they fit?
Ha ha
Brilliant 😆
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 22:37:54 GMT
I would also say how much of any of us are really taking an active interest in politics anyway? Debating it on a message board? Reading pointless posts on FB? Even voting for a party isnt really taking part. For the first time ever im attending my local constituency hustings event next week- purely because i want to get to know the 4 candidates better and because i want to be able to have my say on what i think they should be prioritising as my MP. I will pick my candidate based on that rather than boris vs corbyn Feels a far more constructive way of being involved and interested than just picking a side and voting I went to the Northfield hustings last Friday. The labour supporters in attendance were a disgrace calling a Jewish man who happens to be the Brexit party candidate a racist and shouting down the gay conservative candidate. It was at the Quaker meeting house and everyone was told to respect the opinions of candidates but the labour supporters couldn’t. Also they were expressly told not to film anything and a mate of the local labour councillor filmed Richard Burdens speech |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 22:54:03 GMT
I would also say how much of any of us are really taking an active interest in politics anyway? Debating it on a message board? Reading pointless posts on FB? Even voting for a party isnt really taking part. For the first time ever im attending my local constituency hustings event next week- purely because i want to get to know the 4 candidates better and because i want to be able to have my say on what i think they should be prioritising as my MP. I will pick my candidate based on that rather than boris vs corbyn Feels a far more constructive way of being involved and interested than just picking a side and voting Well that’s the way it should be. It’s bad enough when people vote FOR a party leader and nothing else, but when it’s a case of voting AGAINST a party leader, then that’s when democracy is going down the pan. As for the engagement of kids in politics, well it’s no different in their age group than it is in any other. Remember the old woman in Bristol when the last election was announced? It does make sense to vote for what you want rather than what you don’t. |
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Post by bubba on Dec 14, 2019 9:21:03 GMT
I said it after the referendum when efforts were made to overturn/reverse the democratic choice and I'll say it again now, people and in particular young people seem entirely happy to bury democracy to get what they want, which is a far bigger issue than anything Brexit ever was.
Every generation is slightly different and each complains about the ones preceding and succeeding it but I'm absolutely convinced beyond any doubt that youngsters today are largely over-indulged and are accustomed to gettng what they want nearly all of the time, a concept that in a democratic society is simply not compatible.
Democracy is a concept we as a society choose to organise and govern and know or should know, going in, that it means we won't always get what we personally want, the majority rules.
Watching demonstrators declaring not their Prime Minister I'm seeing this same me, me, me theme play out. Before anybody cries about free speech and the right to peaceful assembly (maybe not so peaceful in some cases) I agree and believe it's a cornerstone of a free society.
However in demonstrating for any reason the goal is to illicit change, in this case not having BJ as Prime Minister, which again goes back to wilfully ignorng the democratic choice taken by the nation.
There are valid reasons for demonstrations against all kinds of things, not getting your way in a fair free general election in a democratic society isn't one of them, might be an idea to start putting this on the school curriculum, because God knows what values these self-centred mini tyrants will be teachng the generation that follows them.
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Kudos to any political leader in opposition that denonces these demonstrations and reminds them what democracy means, but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:36:50 GMT
The danger here is assuming that minority of protestors reflect a wider proportion of society. Nigh on all protestors are the extremes of either wing
It’s not just a young problem tho about them not engaging with politics.
I’ve had endless conversations with people my own age (late thirties) and my parents age and so so many haven’t got a clue who their local MP is, or what any of the parties really stand for
Which is basically saying we care passionately about what Facebook or the mail/express/telegraph/sun/guardian care to tell us to get irate about
That’s not engaging in politics
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Post by bubba on Dec 14, 2019 11:14:28 GMT
The danger here is assuming that minority of protestors reflect a wider proportion of society. Nigh on all protestors are the extremes of either wingIt’s not just a young problem tho about them not engaging with politics. I’ve had endless conversations with people my own age (late thirties) and my parents age and so so many haven’t got a clue who their local MP is, or what any of the parties really stand for Which is basically saying we care passionately about what Facebook or the mail/express/telegraph/sun/guardian care to tell us to get irate about That’s not engaging in politics
The clamour to reverse the original referendum was widespread, millions marched through the streets, all ages, colours and creeds. The argument that those that voted differently to them didn't understand what they were voting for, then that all possible outcomes of a choice should have been represented in the campaigning becase the butterfly effect a thousand years from now may have some unforeseen consequences. These were bullsht and spurious politcised arguments on a binary choice to whip up a fervour to sidelinne democracy.
The protests I've seen the last 24 hours seem to have been primarily mid-twenties and under, I'm gessing by the quality of spelling on placards these are largely students  full of indignacious piss and vinegar that a democratic vote went the wrong way.
It doesn't mean the entire younger generations feel this way, but they do make up the vast majority of those protesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 11:58:25 GMT
The danger here is assuming that minority of protestors reflect a wider proportion of society. Nigh on all protestors are the extremes of either wingIt’s not just a young problem tho about them not engaging with politics. I’ve had endless conversations with people my own age (late thirties) and my parents age and so so many haven’t got a clue who their local MP is, or what any of the parties really stand for Which is basically saying we care passionately about what Facebook or the mail/express/telegraph/sun/guardian care to tell us to get irate about That’s not engaging in politics
The clamour to reverse the original referendum was widespread, millions marched through the streets, all ages, colours and creeds. The argument that those that voted differently to them didn't understand what they were voting for, then that all possible outcomes of a choice should have been represented in the campaigning becase the butterfly effect a thousand years from now may have some unforeseen consequences. These were bullsht and spurious politcised arguments on a binary choice to whip up a fervour to sidelinne democracy.
The protests I've seen the last 24 hours seem to have been primarily mid-twenties and under, I'm gessing by the quality of spelling on placards these are largely students full of indignacious piss and vinegar that a democratic vote went the wrong way.
It doesn't mean the entire younger generations feel this way, but they do make up the vast majority of those protesting.
I think it ill behoves someone who makes five spelling errors in a post of around 100 words to make a political point about the lack of spelling skills of others. |
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Post by bubba on Dec 14, 2019 12:26:19 GMT
In my defence I have posted on here previously that my keyboard is shite and that certain letters in one specific part of the keyboard where the letters u, i and k and to a lesser degree l, are situated often don't post the letter when the key is struck whilst other letters are prone to post double on one keystroke. Furthermore there's a difference posting to the oies on here than going out in public holding a bloody great billboard above my head, I promise I'd tae more care in that instance and get a student to do it for me.
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Post by bubba on Dec 14, 2019 12:27:17 GMT
see bloody missing k
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Post by expatjohn on Dec 14, 2019 14:38:13 GMT
Ignore the silly old bugger. I saw a post of his earlier where his keyboard had typed you instead of your.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 14, 2019 20:04:35 GMT
I said it after the referendum when efforts were made to overturn/reverse the democratic choice and I'll say it again now, people and in particular young people seem entirely happy to bury democracy to get what they want, which is a far bigger issue than anything Brexit ever was.
Every generation is slightly different and each complains about the ones preceding and succeeding it but I'm absolutely convinced beyond any doubt that youngsters today are largely over-indulged and are accustomed to gettng what they want nearly all of the time, a concept that in a democratic society is simply not compatible.
Democracy is a concept we as a society choose to organise and govern and know or should know, going in, that it means we won't always get what we personally want, the majority rules.
Watching demonstrators declaring not their Prime Minister I'm seeing this same me, me, me theme play out. Before anybody cries about free speech and the right to peaceful assembly (maybe not so peaceful in some cases) I agree and believe it's a cornerstone of a free society.
However in demonstrating for any reason the goal is to illicit change, in this case not having BJ as Prime Minister, which again goes back to wilfully ignorng the democratic choice taken by the nation.
There are valid reasons for demonstrations against all kinds of things, not getting your way in a fair free general election in a democratic society isn't one of them, might be an idea to start putting this on the school curriculum, because God knows what values these self-centred mini tyrants will be teachng the generation that follows them.
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Kudos to any political leader in opposition that denonces these demonstrations and reminds them what democracy means, but I won't hold my breath.
Wait for the accusations of foul play, and closely looking at election expenses. George Soros will be giving Gina Miller - real name Gina Nadira Singh - no it doesn't matter but the media never mention it, yet jump on this sort of thing if it's someone they don't like, attempting to portray them a false - some overtime. Young people (not all mercifully). I think it starts young. My observations are they ask for something, not particularly politely, and if refused start crying. Then the parents behave as if they'd accidentally cut off half the kids ear whilst cutting their hair. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 14, 2019 20:08:27 GMT
The danger here is assuming that minority of protestors reflect a wider proportion of society. Nigh on all protestors are the extremes of either wing It’s not just a young problem tho about them not engaging with politics. I’ve had endless conversations with people my own age (late thirties) and my parents age and so so many haven’t got a clue who their local MP is, or what any of the parties really stand for Which is basically saying we care passionately about what Facebook or the mail/express/telegraph/sun/guardian care to tell us to get irate about That’s not engaging in politics Correct. People only seem to read about stuff which only confirms their preducies, and have no time, not a second for an alternative view. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 23:50:10 GMT
The danger here is assuming that minority of protestors reflect a wider proportion of society. Nigh on all protestors are the extremes of either wing It’s not just a young problem tho about them not engaging with politics. I’ve had endless conversations with people my own age (late thirties) and my parents age and so so many haven’t got a clue who their local MP is, or what any of the parties really stand for Which is basically saying we care passionately about what Facebook or the mail/express/telegraph/sun/guardian care to tell us to get irate about That’s not engaging in politics Correct. People only seem to read about stuff which only confirms their preducies, and have no time, not a second for an alternative view. 😂 😆 😝 I’m a big fan of irony, me. |
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Post by sapfo on Dec 17, 2019 12:51:35 GMT
Civil service workers & their kids. Rich kids masquerading as ‘Common People’, students, 2nd generation commonwealth kids, and teachers!! That’s who those protestors are mainly.
Don’t worry about them. They are the minority based on last weeks result!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:28:56 GMT
Civil service workers & their kids. Rich kids masquerading as ‘Common People’, students, 2nd generation commonwealth kids, and teachers!! That’s who those protestors are mainly. Don’t worry about them. They are the minority based on last weeks result! Really? 57% of those voting didn’t vote Tory. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 17, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
But 57% of voters don't have a hissy fit, attack police, scream at the sky and say live on air they hope Boris dies a horrible death.
Then add the want to be a doctor.
Time was when I thought Labour voter, I thought factory worker or guy on a building site.
Now I'm thinking Owen Jones, Eddie Izzad and Lilly Allen blarting & lying about how she'd 100% take refugees into her home.
I imagine the salt of the Earth types don't really want to be lumped in with that lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 17:38:01 GMT
But 57% of voters don't have a hissy fit, attack police, scream at the sky and say live on air they hope Boris dies a horrible death. Then add the want to be a doctor. Time was when I thought Labour voter, I thought factory worker or guy on a building site. Now I'm thinking Owen Jones, Eddie Izzad and Lilly Allen blarting & lying about how she'd 100% take refugees into her home. I imagine the salt of the Earth types don't really want to be lumped in with that lot. Excellent wumming Tone - keep that up and you’ll be taking my crown off me next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 23:41:50 GMT
Civil service workers & their kids. Rich kids masquerading as ‘Common People’, students, 2nd generation commonwealth kids, and teachers!! That’s who those protestors are mainly. Don’t worry about them. They are the minority based on last weeks result! Technically I’m A civil servant but I I certainly didn’t vote labour |
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