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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 21:48:18 GMT
Sorry Will , but I would .... I couldn't give a fig about " English " clubs fare in Europe . They are owned by foreigners , managed by foreigners , represented on the field of play by foreigners and the most important aspect of their income is TV money generated by foreigners watching them in foreign countries ..... guess how I voted in the Brexit referendum The same way as all the other xenophobes. But then I’ve been saying that for ages on here, and for some reason people get upset about being called xenophobes. |
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Post by southsideblue on Dec 16, 2019 21:54:34 GMT
If not liking foreigners makes me a xenophobic , I'll take that ... on SHA it makes you a racist ! .. I like you guys
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 22:09:46 GMT
If not liking foreigners makes me a xenophobic , I'll take that ... on SHA it makes you a racist ! .. I like you guys Oh, I try to tread very carefully with the language I use nowadays, although it wasn’t always so, I’ll admit that. It’s a pity that others won’t admit to xenophobia as being the main reason for wanting to leave the EU and voting for Johnson, instead of hiding behind false excuses like sovereignty, currency, control of borders etc etc, all of which can very easily be debunked. Fact is, very many of those who voted to leave and voted for Johnson did so for the same reason as you. |
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Post by southsideblue on Dec 16, 2019 22:15:55 GMT
Will , I didn't vote for Boris Johnston , I voted for the Conservative candidate in my constituency . I have done this since I was eighteen ...
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Post by expatjohn on Dec 17, 2019 1:07:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 8:33:28 GMT
Will , I didn't vote for Boris Johnston , I voted for the Conservative candidate in my constituency . I have done this since I was eighteen ... And who ended up in number 10 as a result? |
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Post by expatjohn on Dec 17, 2019 9:19:10 GMT
Will , I didn't vote for Boris Johnston , I voted for the Conservative candidate in my constituency . I have done this since I was eighteen ... And who ended up in number 10 as a result? The correct person. 😝 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 9:36:55 GMT
IMO the hole political system was focused around people caring more about who their local MP was- and holding them accountable.
Every election is driven by who is the leader- this one especially yet i met countless people who were voting labour or tory based on their feelings about johnson or corbyn but having no idea who their local MP they were voting for
Little wonder we got into the brexit mess of 2017
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Post by bluenoserob on Dec 17, 2019 9:43:57 GMT
If not liking foreigners makes me a xenophobic , I'll take that ... on SHA it makes you a racist ! .. I like you guys Ha ha ha |
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Post by expatjohn on Dec 17, 2019 10:10:27 GMT
You can like and dislike whoever you want SSB, but extremes are not encouraged.
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Post by southsideblue on Dec 17, 2019 10:59:31 GMT
I'm certainly not extreme ... I'm more Tony Evans than Bud Brocken
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 23:37:45 GMT
This was the moved stuff then.
Probably annoy the virtuous with me voting Tory in this election and voting Brexit with an African grandparent.
None of my grandparents were born in Brum but all of them were accepted here.
Cape Town, London, Protestant Belfast and Catholic Glasgow.
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Post by expatjohn on Dec 18, 2019 1:15:03 GMT
Bloody 'ell SOB, that's some mixture.
Mostly Brummie here, as far back as the early 1800's. My great-great grandfather was a well known (at the time) local celebrity.
Seems I may have had some black country miners who moved around the various pits in the mid to late 1800's too.
There was the odd 'foreigner' mostly on my step-grandfathers side which aren't blood related, and despite my name......NO WELSH!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:01:35 GMT
This was the moved stuff then. Probably annoy the virtuous with me voting Tory in this election and voting Brexit with an African grandparent. None of my grandparents were born in Brum but all of them were accepted here. Cape Town, London, Protestant Belfast and Catholic Glasgow. I hope that you will have noticed that I said “very many” Tory/leave voters did so because of xenophobia. I didn’t say “all”. It’s no coincidence that Burnley has become a Tory constituency - don’t forget that a few years back they voted in a BNP MEP! |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 18, 2019 11:29:12 GMT
Or could be these are actually Labour voters, who prior to the rise of UKIP sent a message about their thoughts on the EU with a BNP MEP, and now, probably not for the first time, sent a message they don't want to be in the EU.
The EU being the problem. Not xenophobia. If it was that, they probably wouldn't usually vote Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 12:14:34 GMT
Or could be these are actually Labour voters, who prior to the rise of UKIP sent a message about their thoughts on the EU with a BNP MEP, and now, probably not for the first time, sent a message they don't want to be in the EU. The EU being the problem. Not xenophobia. If it was that, they probably wouldn't usually vote Labour. The BNP? Not xenophobic? Dead right, that’s far too kind a word for those racists. |
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Dec 18, 2019 12:22:50 GMT
Will ffs chill. Open a mince pie and relax.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 18, 2019 13:49:11 GMT
Or could be these are actually Labour voters, who prior to the rise of UKIP sent a message about their thoughts on the EU with a BNP MEP, and now, probably not for the first time, sent a message they don't want to be in the EU. The EU being the problem. Not xenophobia. If it was that, they probably wouldn't usually vote Labour. The BNP? Not xenophobic? Dead right, that’s far too kind a word for those racists. I'm referring the Burnley's electorate. Usually Labour. I haven't asked them, maybe you're fight. Racist Labour voters who jumped on the chance of sticking it to Johnny Foreigner. Not any of the numerous other reasons it could be. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:33:37 GMT
The BNP? Not xenophobic? Dead right, that’s far too kind a word for those racists. I'm referring the Burnley's electorate. Usually Labour. I haven't asked them, maybe you're fight. Racist Labour voters who jumped on the chance of sticking it to Johnny Foreigner. Not any of the numerous other reasons it could be. Would those be the numerous fatuous and completely unfounded reasons like taking back control of our laws, borders and currency (all of which we have control over already), the lack of democracy (when we have an unelected upper chamber and an unelected civil service) or making Parliament sovereign (but when they use that sovereignty all the leavers get upset)? No, those are all smoke screens that many Leave/“Red Tory” voters have tried to use to camouflage their distrust of foreigners. Simple as. |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 18, 2019 19:18:06 GMT
I'm referring the Burnley's electorate. Usually Labour. I haven't asked them, maybe you're fight. Racist Labour voters who jumped on the chance of sticking it to Johnny Foreigner. Not any of the numerous other reasons it could be. Would those be the numerous fatuous and completely unfounded reasons like taking back control of our laws, borders and currency (all of which we have control over already), the lack of democracy (when we have an unelected upper chamber and an unelected civil service) or making Parliament sovereign (but when they use that sovereignty all the leavers get upset)? No, those are all smoke screens that many Leave/“Red Tory” voters have tried to use to camouflage their distrust of foreigners. Simple as. Yes laws, that's why who's law was to be sovereign after so semblance of leaving, was an issue for both sides. Hopefully was now, not is. Yes borders, Jeremy was quite clear he was all for more immigration. Yes keeping our currency, you can't think that wasn't on the EU's hit list. Yes democracy, and hopefully the Lords will go, and the civil service will get it's comeuppance. Yes Parliamentary sovereignty over EU sovereignty, and the ability (unlike with the EU), to replace that parliament, if they fail to respect democracy. But not just that, could be Threatening to borrow an incomprehensible amount to nationalise companies (try to tell us that swapping government bonds for stock, is not borrowing). So we'd be paying interest on money spent on buying companies, to be run by people who don't know what they are doing, limiting choice, and before long having the strikes and unions telling us what their members deserve. The inevitable inflation. The capital controls which would follow, and zero money coming in to invest in the UK. Government control of the internet. The compulsory teaching in schools of how bad the UK is historically. Nonsense like planting 2,000,000,000 trees Making companies take on a climate change apprentice every year, to do something. Confiscating 10% of any business employing more than 249 people, pretty much ensuring there will be no new ones. Driving people with money out of the country. De-incentivising potential successful people from attempting to to earn money (or employ people) Frightening potential employers from taking someone on, with fear of not being able to ever lay them off. Deciding to dig up Gordon's windfall tax as they call it, on the likes of BP & Shell, not caring that all his measures to cripple shareholder's wealth, is also going to cripple most people's pensions. His support for Hamas and the IRA The coming EU army The probable exclusion (if they have any sense) of the UK from the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, down to his blatant security risk. Diane Abbot as Home Secretary FFS. More bank holidays with a view to getting to a stage where we have one every week. Oh that's going to be cheap for us, paying for all the extra government workers, armed service, police, NHS and so on we'd need. That's not going to cripple businesses and make them un-competitive compared to those abroad. Or put up prices. £10 minimum wage. That's going to help our supermarket bill. That's going to get a 16 year old with no skills, hired & trained. Still, they could always get their girlfriend banged up, get a council flat and vote Labour 'eh. Could be any or all of these reasons. Or perhaps they're just racist. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:47:18 GMT
Blimey Tone, it took you a long time, but you got there eventually.
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Post by southsideblue on Dec 18, 2019 20:50:34 GMT
When I said I didn't like foreigners , obviously I didn't mean my Mom , who is Austrian ...
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Dec 18, 2019 20:51:16 GMT
Would those be the numerous fatuous and completely unfounded reasons like taking back control of our laws, borders and currency (all of which we have control over already), the lack of democracy (when we have an unelected upper chamber and an unelected civil service) or making Parliament sovereign (but when they use that sovereignty all the leavers get upset)? No, those are all smoke screens that many Leave/“Red Tory” voters have tried to use to camouflage their distrust of foreigners. Simple as. Yes laws, that's why who's law was to be sovereign after so semblance of leaving, was an issue for both sides. Hopefully was now, not is. Yes borders, Jeremy was quite clear he was all for more immigration. Yes keeping our currency, you can't think that wasn't on the EU's hit list. Yes democracy, and hopefully the Lords will go, and the civil service will get it's comeuppance. Yes Parliamentary sovereignty over EU sovereignty, and the ability (unlike with the EU), to replace that parliament, if they fail to respect democracy. But not just that, could be Threatening to borrow an incomprehensible amount to nationalise companies (try to tell us that swapping government bonds for stock, is not borrowing). So we'd be paying interest on money spent on buying companies, to be run by people who don't know what they are doing, limiting choice, and before long having the strikes and unions telling us what their members deserve. The inevitable inflation. The capital controls which would follow, and zero money coming in to invest in the UK. Government control of the internet. The compulsory teaching in schools of how bad the UK is historically. Nonsense like planting 2,000,000,000 trees Making companies take on a climate change apprentice every year, to do something. Confiscating 10% of any business employing more than 249 people, pretty much ensuring there will be no new ones. Driving people with money out of the country. De-incentivising potential successful people from attempting to to earn money (or employ people) Frightening potential employers from taking someone on, with fear of not being able to ever lay them off. Deciding to dig up Gordon's windfall tax as they call it, on the likes of BP & Shell, not caring that all his measures to cripple shareholder's wealth, is also going to cripple most people's pensions. His support for Hamas and the IRA The coming EU army The probable exclusion (if they have any sense) of the UK from the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, down to his blatant security risk. Diane Abbot as Home Secretary FFS. More bank holidays with a view to getting to a stage where we have one every week. Oh that's going to be cheap for us, paying for all the extra government workers, armed service, police, NHS and so on we'd need. That's not going to cripple businesses and make them un-competitive compared to those abroad. Or put up prices. £10 minimum wage. That's going to help our supermarket bill. That's going to get a 16 year old with no skills, hired & trained. Still, they could always get their girlfriend banged up, get a council flat and vote Labour 'eh. Could be any or all of these reasons. Or perhaps they're just racist. You do know sensible posts are not allowed on here!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:53:09 GMT
Yes laws, that's why who's law was to be sovereign after so semblance of leaving, was an issue for both sides. Hopefully was now, not is. Yes borders, Jeremy was quite clear he was all for more immigration. Yes keeping our currency, you can't think that wasn't on the EU's hit list. Yes democracy, and hopefully the Lords will go, and the civil service will get it's comeuppance. Yes Parliamentary sovereignty over EU sovereignty, and the ability (unlike with the EU), to replace that parliament, if they fail to respect democracy. But not just that, could be Threatening to borrow an incomprehensible amount to nationalise companies (try to tell us that swapping government bonds for stock, is not borrowing). So we'd be paying interest on money spent on buying companies, to be run by people who don't know what they are doing, limiting choice, and before long having the strikes and unions telling us what their members deserve. The inevitable inflation. The capital controls which would follow, and zero money coming in to invest in the UK. Government control of the internet. The compulsory teaching in schools of how bad the UK is historically. Nonsense like planting 2,000,000,000 trees Making companies take on a climate change apprentice every year, to do something. Confiscating 10% of any business employing more than 249 people, pretty much ensuring there will be no new ones. Driving people with money out of the country. De-incentivising potential successful people from attempting to to earn money (or employ people) Frightening potential employers from taking someone on, with fear of not being able to ever lay them off. Deciding to dig up Gordon's windfall tax as they call it, on the likes of BP & Shell, not caring that all his measures to cripple shareholder's wealth, is also going to cripple most people's pensions. His support for Hamas and the IRA The coming EU army The probable exclusion (if they have any sense) of the UK from the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, down to his blatant security risk. Diane Abbot as Home Secretary FFS. More bank holidays with a view to getting to a stage where we have one every week. Oh that's going to be cheap for us, paying for all the extra government workers, armed service, police, NHS and so on we'd need. That's not going to cripple businesses and make them un-competitive compared to those abroad. Or put up prices. £10 minimum wage. That's going to help our supermarket bill. That's going to get a 16 year old with no skills, hired & trained. Still, they could always get their girlfriend banged up, get a council flat and vote Labour 'eh. Could be any or all of these reasons. Or perhaps they're just racist. You do know sensible posts are not allowed on here!!! Hence the continuing presence of Tone’s novel. |
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Dec 18, 2019 21:02:22 GMT
Hes right though Will.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 18, 2019 21:28:42 GMT
Blimey Tone, it took you a long time, but you got there eventually. Ha ha ha. Brilliant I'd do a thumbs up, but don't know how. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:31:44 GMT
No he’s not Romes. Your average voter in Burnley, Stoke or West Brom wouldn’t know what the feck he’s on about. |
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Dec 18, 2019 21:37:10 GMT
No he’s not Romes. Your average voter in Burnley, Stoke or West Brom wouldn’t know what the feck he’s on about. 🤣 |
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 18, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
No he’s not Romes. Your average voter in Burnley, Stoke or West Brom wouldn’t know what the feck he’s on about.  I wish you were writing TV shows. Far funnier than what we get these days. Thank you. Perhaps I'd better not get started on Austrian economics then. |
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Post by southsideblue on Dec 18, 2019 22:02:21 GMT
My Mom might be able to help if you do
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I wish you were writing TV shows. Far funnier than what we get these days. Thank you.