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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 30, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
Not a thread intended to discuss the rights and wrongs of anything, just to get people's views on what will happen. Not what should happen.
For me, it depends on what Boris / government do.
1. If we get our waters back, I'd expect trouble on the seas. I can't see the French, Dutch, Spanish taking any notice of the law. If so - what then ?
2. I'd not be surprised if the French etc; actively assist in sending 'asylum seekers' to us.
3. Will Boris give them the money they want ? If not, I'd guess the domino effect would bring the EU crashing down.
4. Will the BBC get what's coming to them ?
Or anything else ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 23:01:43 GMT
I’d like to see your answers first Tone. 😉
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 30, 2019 23:41:34 GMT
Not a thread intended to discuss the rights and wrongs of anything, just to get people's views on what will happen. Not what should happen. For me, it depends on what Boris / government do. 1. If we get our waters back, I'd expect trouble on the seas. I can't see the French, Dutch, Spanish taking any notice of the law. If so - what then ? 2. I'd not be surprised if the French etc; actively assist in sending 'asylum seekers' to us. 3. Will Boris give them the money they want ? If not, I'd guess the domino effect would bring the EU crashing down. 4. Will the BBC get what's coming to them ? Or anything else ? Will - sh1t I don't know. I'm interested in what others think. Again, not really interested in what they'd like to happen, or what they think should happen because they feel it'd be the right thing to happen. Basically, it depends upon the government's next move. What that will be, I have no idea. If (IF) the noises coming from Boris become actions, then I think: 1. If he goes for it, there will be trouble. How he handles it, I can't guess, hopefully not the way the cod war was handled. I think he'll bottle it from the get go. 2. I expect this. If so, hopefully he will make it abundantly clear the asylum seekers would be better off staying in France. I have my doubts. 3. Got to say, I think he'll cough up on our behalf. 4. I can actually see him binning those fuc4ers. Or try to, with loads of legal challenges. Basically, I'm not over optimistic, but he is making the right noises. So did treasonous May
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 0:44:54 GMT
Not a thread intended to discuss the rights and wrongs of anything, just to get people's views on what will happen. Not what should happen. For me, it depends on what Boris / government do. 1. If we get our waters back, I'd expect trouble on the seas. I can't see the French, Dutch, Spanish taking any notice of the law. If so - what then ? 2. I'd not be surprised if the French etc; actively assist in sending 'asylum seekers' to us. 3. Will Boris give them the money they want ? If not, I'd guess the domino effect would bring the EU crashing down. 4. Will the BBC get what's coming to them ? Or anything else ? Will - sh1t I don't know. I'm interested in what others think. Again, not really interested in what they'd like to happen, or what they think should happen because they feel it'd be the right thing to happen. Basically, it depends upon the government's next move. What that will be, I have no idea. If (IF) the noises coming from Boris become actions, then I think: 1. If he goes for it, there will be trouble. How he handles it, I can't guess, hopefully not the way the cod war was handled. I think he'll bottle it from the get go. 2. I expect this. If so, hopefully he will make it abundantly clear the asylum seekers would be better off staying in France. I have my doubts. 3. Got to say, I think he'll cough up on our behalf. 4. I can actually see him binning those fuc4ers. Or try to, with loads of legal challenges. Basically, I'm not over optimistic, but he is making the right noises. So did treasonous May Well if you don’tknow, how do you expect the rest of us to know?
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 31, 2019 0:57:35 GMT
No-one ever learned anything whilst they themselves were speaking.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 31, 2019 1:10:39 GMT
Basically, someone telling me something I didn't previously know (and I believed); or an idea or view point which made more sense than something I up to that point believed or thought, is far more valuable to me than a thousand people saying "Spot on Tony".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 10:18:55 GMT
Not a thread intended to discuss the rights and wrongs of anything, just to get people's views on what will happen. Not what should happen. For me, it depends on what Boris / government do. 1. If we get our waters back, I'd expect trouble on the seas. I can't see the French, Dutch, Spanish taking any notice of the law. If so - what then ? 2. I'd not be surprised if the French etc; actively assist in sending 'asylum seekers' to us. 3. Will Boris give them the money they want ? If not, I'd guess the domino effect would bring the EU crashing down. 4. Will the BBC get what's coming to them ? Or anything else ? 1. See my previous comments relating to British fisherman catching scallops off the French coast - I know this happens because one of my neighbours does it. 2. We’ll have the same control over our borders as we did while we were in the EU, especially with regard to asylum seekers (note the absence of quote marks), so no change there. 3. If he doesn’t then there’ll be a no deal Brexit - again, see my previous predictions. 4. I’m sure that in the fullness of time Laura Kuenssberg will receive a Damehood for her services to the Tory party. Well deserved, as she worked her pretty little arse off for Boris. Anything else? Well you quoted my predictions not so long ago. The first one, relating to the Election Result was spot on, when most of you lot were fretting about a hung parliament, and although one or two of the others were a bit tongue-in-cheek, I fully expect many of the others to be proved right, and for us to be in a right royal mess in the next ten years or so. HTH
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 31, 2019 12:09:42 GMT
Thank you. Basically you're not over optimistic either, but for different reasons.
What does HTH stand for ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 12:41:28 GMT
Thank you. Basically you're not over optimistic either, but for different reasons. What does HTH stand for ? Hope This Helps. HTH To say that I’m not overly optimistic is the understatement of the century. I firmly believe that this country has made the biggest of big mistakes and, in some cases, too many cases, for the foulest of foul reasons. I can’t believe that the country that hosted the best ever Olympic Games in the most welcoming and joyful manner can have changed so much in just four years. In 2012 I was proud of this country and its people - now I’m ashamed of it and many of them. As I’ve said before, beds have been made - sadly mine among them. Anyone who thinks, like Johnson, that wounds can be healed and the country reunited, is having a laugh. I fear that this country is in for a rough ride, and that the poorest will suffer most - many of whom are the very people who voted in their millions to leave and to give Johnson carte blanche. And that, my friend, is all I have to say on the subject. For me, the thread is closed.
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Post by tonyhancock on Dec 31, 2019 13:11:48 GMT
Thank you. Basically you're not over optimistic either, but for different reasons. What does HTH stand for ? Hope This Helps. HTH To say that I’m not overly optimistic is the understatement of the century. I firmly believe that this country has made the biggest of big mistakes and, in some cases, too many cases, for the foulest of foul reasons. I can’t believe that the country that hosted the best ever Olympic Games in the most welcoming and joyful manner can have changed so much in just four years. In 2012 I was proud of this country and its people - now I’m ashamed of it and many of them. As I’ve said before, beds have been made - sadly mine among them. Anyone who thinks, like Johnson, that wounds can be healed and the country reunited, is having a laugh. I fear that this country is in for a rough ride, and that the poorest will suffer most - many of whom are the very people who voted in their millions to leave and to give Johnson carte blanche. And that, my friend, is all I have to say on the subject. For me, the thread is closed. Yes, thank you. My intention for this thread is for people to put forward ideas of what might happen, and their reasons. It's not meant for re-running the leave / remain campaign. For me it's too early to call it. It's all very dependant on how the government takes it from here. Optimistically, if Boris does tell the EU they are not getting any more money, we will make deals with the rest of the world without any conditions set by the EU, and we do not recognise their law within the UK. Now, do you want a free trade deal or not ? Then I think we'll do well. Presently, Boris is making the right noises about our waters. If he does expel the foreigners, then I can see them starting trouble. I don't envisage British vessels collecting scallops off the French coast. On the whole, though, I think we both have to hope you're wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 20:13:32 GMT
Not a thread intended to discuss the rights and wrongs of anything, just to get people's views on what will happen. Not what should happen. For me, it depends on what Boris / government do. 1. If we get our waters back, I'd expect trouble on the seas. I can't see the French, Dutch, Spanish taking any notice of the law. If so - what then ? 2. I'd not be surprised if the French etc; actively assist in sending 'asylum seekers' to us. 3. Will Boris give them the money they want ? If not, I'd guess the domino effect would bring the EU crashing down. 4. Will the BBC get what's coming to them ? Or anything else ? 1. Fishing Waters Every other proper nation in the world gets a 200 mile exclusivity apart from EU nations which the old men in the commission decided nation states must surrender there fishing waters and quota based system is the way to go. In other words how can we punish Britain as a Island nation. The way to stop them coming into our waters is to threaten them what we say is you will get a fair warning to get out of our waters or we will sink your ships. 2. Asylum seekers The Geneva Convention on Asylum seekers is that they must apply for citizenship in the nearest safe country given we are an Island nation with no war torn countries nearby we should outright refuse to take them and rickety boats we see coming towards our shores should be turned around and followed back to France. Also if they make a mayday call ignore them. 3. Money to the EU We have lined their pockets for long enough we have been a net contributor in every year bar one and the only country which really has a good deal out of the EU is the Germans because they have free access to everyone's market to sell their goods into within Europe- their economy is more like the Japan model. However nothing lasts forever the German economy is going towards recession. I hope the EU Parliament refuse to vote for Boris' deal forcing us out with no deal and no £39 billion divorce bill, for good measure we will slap tariffs on German cars- let them sweat and collapse then Italy and France will be forced to pay more and as they refuse the whole project will come crumbling down and so it should. 4. The BBC Should have the licence fee outlawed and be forced to advertise like ITV, Sky and Channel 4 advertise- You'll then find that very few watch BBC inferior quality programmes and it will either collapse or go to a subscription service for Woke Tofu eating soy drinking, social justice warrior, lefty luvvie liberals. Which fortunately there isn't many and BBC will become a irrelevance .
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 1, 2020 12:39:53 GMT
Ha ha. Thank you very much. The thread was intended to get an idea of what people thought would happen, but:
1. I could have it wrong, but I understand the shared fishing idea was rushed through, hours before we were set to join the Common Market. In any event, if our waters equated to a large swimming pool, they wouldn't entertain shared ownership after we left. The EU will attempt to keep the right to fish in our waters. If Boris says no, the I believe the French, Spanish, Dutch will carry on illegally. What Boris does about that, we'll see.
2. I think it's either an EU backed, or approved attempt to destroy national identities. No way could those herds of people march from the middle east to Europe, without help.
3. If we weren't putting more into the EU more than we were getting from it, they'd kick us out. I can't believe anyone thinks the EU is doing it's best to tie us in, for our benefit.
4. BBC. One side thinks it's fair and balanced, the other side can't stand it. Should tell you all you need to know. I think Boris will actually try to get shot of the mothers.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 10, 2020 19:50:32 GMT
Well it seems that Andrej Plenkovic agrees with me (or maybe just making a threat), not that it wasn't pretty obvious to anyone who gave it any amount of thought. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1226567/EU-Brexit-trade-talks-Boris-Johnson-fisheries-fishing-watersAs usual, I'm not interested in what anyone thinks should happen, just what they think will happen Will Boris: 1. Bottle it from the get go and allow the EU access as part of a deal 2. WHEN the foreign fishermen ignore our aquatic borders, will he then do fuc4 all about it, and eventually give his 'permission' 3. Enforce the law with the Royal Navy 4. Anything else. ?
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 30, 2020 10:18:37 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Feb 2, 2020 20:59:28 GMT
Dear oh dear
So as for the unquestionably unbiased BBC
What do you guys think - will Boris pull the plug ?
As usual, not interested in what people think should happen, just what you think will happen
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