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Post by rail on Jan 20, 2020 18:31:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 19:04:31 GMT
“Our future prosperity will be greatly influenced by the future trading relationship the government negotiates with the European Union, our largest trading partner, during the course of this year.”
Johnson wants to rush those negotiations through, and if they’re not agreed, then we’ll still be leaving without an agreement, which was the scenario the IMF feared when it made its previous predictions.
Looks like he’ll be trying to negotiate a special agreement for the fishermen - you know, those arch-Brexiteers - I wonder how the EU will react to that.
Johnson is in a position of immense power now, and feels he can do whatever he wants - there’s a long, long way to go before there’s any stability, financially or socially, in the UK, so Project Crossed Fingers had better keep those digits well and truly crossed.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 19:08:18 GMT
Organisation which didn't want us to leave the EU predicted disaster if we did.
Honestly, it's not worth re-fighting the referendum. Or the election. Leave that to will.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 19:17:52 GMT
1. “Our future prosperity will be greatly influenced by the future trading relationship the government negotiates with the European Union, our largest trading partner, during the course of this year.” 2. Johnson wants to rush those negotiations through, and if they’re not agreed, then we’ll still be leaving without an agreement, which was the scenario the IMF feared when it made its previous predictions. 3. Looks like he’ll be trying to negotiate a special agreement for the fishermen - you know, those arch-Brexiteers - I wonder how the EU will react to that. 4. Johnson is in a position of immense power now, and feels he can do whatever he wants - there’s a long, long way to go before there’s any stability, financially or socially, in the UK, so Project Crossed Fingers had better keep those digits well and truly crossed. And there he is. Like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn. 1. Wow. You have to be pretty on the ball with the blatantly obvious to work for the IMF I see. 2. Those negotiations should have taken place in 2016. It's not Mr Johnson's fault that didn't happen, and it's not his fault he had one arm tied behind his back, the last time he negotiated. He hasn't now, so if the EU want our money & business, they'd best not fcuk about 3. If I had to guess, he'll totally bottle it when it comes to the fishing. 4. So the sooner we get this sorted the better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 19:37:49 GMT
1. “Our future prosperity will be greatly influenced by the future trading relationship the government negotiates with the European Union, our largest trading partner, during the course of this year.” 2. Johnson wants to rush those negotiations through, and if they’re not agreed, then we’ll still be leaving without an agreement, which was the scenario the IMF feared when it made its previous predictions. 3. Looks like he’ll be trying to negotiate a special agreement for the fishermen - you know, those arch-Brexiteers - I wonder how the EU will react to that. 4. Johnson is in a position of immense power now, and feels he can do whatever he wants - there’s a long, long way to go before there’s any stability, financially or socially, in the UK, so Project Crossed Fingers had better keep those digits well and truly crossed. And there he is. Like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn. 1. Wow. You have to be pretty on the ball with the blatantly obvious to work for the IMF I see. 2. Those negotiations should have taken place in 2016. It's not Mr Johnson's fault that didn't happen, and it's not his fault he had one arm tied behind his back, the last time he negotiated. He hasn't now, so if the EU want our money & business, they'd best not fcuk about 3. If I had to guess, he'll totally bottle it when it comes to the fishing. 4. So the sooner we get this sorted the better. 1. It wasn’t the IMF who said that, it was ITV. You haven’t read the article, have you? 2. How sweet that you believe the EU is more desperate to deal with us than vice versa. 3. Yeah well he’ll have to keep the squealing piggies happy, won’t he? 4. Yes I imagine that you’ll be only too happy if this time next year nothing has been agreed and we end up without a deal.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 19:45:48 GMT
And there he is. Like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn. 1. Wow. You have to be pretty on the ball with the blatantly obvious to work for the IMF I see. 2. Those negotiations should have taken place in 2016. It's not Mr Johnson's fault that didn't happen, and it's not his fault he had one arm tied behind his back, the last time he negotiated. He hasn't now, so if the EU want our money & business, they'd best not fcuk about 3. If I had to guess, he'll totally bottle it when it comes to the fishing. 4. So the sooner we get this sorted the better. 1. It wasn’t the IMF who said that, it was ITV. You haven’t read the article, have you? 2. How sweet that you believe the EU is more desperate to deal with us than vice versa. 3. Yeah well he’ll have to keep the squealing piggies happy, won’t he? 4. Yes I imagine that you’ll be only too happy if this time next year nothing has been agreed and we end up without a deal. 1. Not well. 2. We'll see 3. What I mean is, he says the EU won't get access to our waters. I believe the Dutch, Spanish, French etc; will ignore the law. I imagine Boris knows this too. So I'm expecting he'll do a deal, probably giving them limited access (which they will also ignore). I can't see him telling the Royal Navy to confiscate the EU fishing vessels & prosecute the thieves. 4. Depends upon the deal. I doubt I'd like any deal, and most especially one where we hand over billions pf pounds so both side can have free trade. What's worrying me is, you're starting to sound like the type who wants things to go tits up for our country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 20:02:57 GMT
Nah, when my kids futures have been ruined it won’t make me feel any better to say “I told you so”.
It’s just that unlike you I find it difficult to type with my fingers crossed.
The arthritis doesn’t help neither. 😆
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
If we left, the way we'd leave if I was in charge. I think we'd do just fine. I have no way of knowing.
I have no idea what deal will be made, or the results of any deal.
What I do know is, what it would be like to stay in the EU. And for me, and evidently many others, that was enough for me to want out.
It's a great pity that Mrs May & most of the commons were on the EU's side, rather than ours.
Still it's happening. Of a sort. We still don't know for sure whether it'll be a pretend to leave.
So regardless of whether an individual wanted to leave, thinks it's a stupid idea, if optimistic or fearful. We should all be hoping it works out brilliantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 20:22:29 GMT
If we left, the way we'd leave if I was in charge. I think we'd do just fine. I have no way of knowing. I have no idea what deal will be made, or the results of any deal. What I do know is, what it would be like to stay in the EU. And for me, and evidently many others, that was enough for me to want out. It's a great pity that Mrs May & most of the commons were on the EU's side, rather than ours. Still it's happening. Of a sort. We still don't know for sure whether it'll be a pretend to leave. So regardless of whether an individual wanted to leave, thinks it's a stupid idea, if optimistic or fearful. We should all be hoping it works out brilliantly. Well I hope that one day I’ll win the lottery and/or become a grandad, but I have to be realistic and understand that neither of those things are likely to happen. C’est la vie, as people might have said if most of them didn’t think that learning foreign languages was a waste of time because all you have to do to make foreigners understand you is to shout at them in English.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 20:40:06 GMT
If we left, the way we'd leave if I was in charge. I think we'd do just fine. I have no way of knowing. I have no idea what deal will be made, or the results of any deal. What I do know is, what it would be like to stay in the EU. And for me, and evidently many others, that was enough for me to want out. It's a great pity that Mrs May & most of the commons were on the EU's side, rather than ours. Still it's happening. Of a sort. We still don't know for sure whether it'll be a pretend to leave. So regardless of whether an individual wanted to leave, thinks it's a stupid idea, if optimistic or fearful. We should all be hoping it works out brilliantly. Well I hope that one day I’ll win the lottery and/or become a grandad, but I have to be realistic and understand that neither of those things are likely to happen. C’est la vie, as people might have said if most of them didn’t think that learning foreign languages was a waste of time because all you have to do to make foreigners understand you is to shout at them in English. I hope you're pleasantly surprised on all counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 20:56:29 GMT
Two out of three would do me - not necessarily the two you think.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 20, 2020 20:58:46 GMT
Good man. I'm in a state of shock regarding Blues accounts at the moment. Head's spinning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 21:15:34 GMT
Good man. I'm in a state of shock regarding Blues accounts at the moment. Head's spinning. Yeah, frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:14:23 GMT
End of the day the IMF's standpoint from 2016 has changed massively.
300 companies leaving APPARENTLY and now we are told 1000 coming. I would say the basic maths of that are all to see.
JP morgan chase were the biggest predictors of doom pre brexit and right after the vote and they changed their mind and the only way they will leave now is if EU force them to.
The bank of england, the government, the politicians, the media and countless other sources were quick to predict the apocalypse and one by one all but the staunch remoaners have fallen like a house of cards. Sadly some people are so entrenched in their arguments they simply can't back down so they bang the drum. Those drums get quieter by the day,
I just wish Boris was here in charge the day after the referendum because the financial uncertainty for 4 years has slowed the recovery down. I note the GBP to Euro is also on the rise and should be 1.30 by the time I go on my jollies so thats further good news.
Boris is proving if you have a pair of bollocks and a majority government anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 20:47:54 GMT
You’d be surprised how often everyone gets really optimistic after 4 weeks of a new, majority government.
It doesn’t last, even when the PM is relatively sane.
Which Johnson isn’t.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 21, 2020 22:06:46 GMT
End of the day the IMF's standpoint from 2016 has changed massively. 300 companies leaving APPARENTLY and now we are told 1000 coming. I would say the basic maths of that are all to see. JP morgan chase were the biggest predictors of doom pre brexit and right after the vote and they changed their mind and the only way they will leave now is if EU force them to. The bank of england, the government, the politicians, the media and countless other sources were quick to predict the apocalypse and one by one all but the staunch remoaners have fallen like a house of cards. Sadly some people are so entrenched in their arguments they simply can't back down so they bang the drum. Those drums get quieter by the day, I just wish Boris was here in charge the day after the referendum because the financial uncertainty for 4 years has slowed the recovery down. I note the GBP to Euro is also on the rise and should be 1.30 by the time I go on my jollies so thats further good news. Boris is proving if you have a pair of bollocks and a majority government anything is possible. For me, and presumably all the rest of us who didn't know what we were voting for, it is an absolute tragedy we didn't have a government which was prepared to implement the result of the referendum. We will never know what could have been. The truth is, the jury is still out regarding Boris.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 21, 2020 22:19:49 GMT
You’d be surprised how often everyone gets really optimistic after 4 weeks of a new, majority government. It doesn’t last, even when the PM is relatively sane. Which Johnson isn’t. I have you down as (a nice guy, obviously) as pretty intelligent. Having read that, I'm leaning toward a mad professor sort of way. Seriously 'relatively sane' ? Compared to Corbyn presumably (hopefully not). ?? Holy sh1t. I, hopefully everyone, will hope the country goes from strength to strength. But regardless, it's best for all if we have a top rate opposition. I hope we get one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 22:21:20 GMT
You’d be surprised how often everyone gets really optimistic after 4 weeks of a new, majority government. It doesn’t last, even when the PM is relatively sane. Which Johnson isn’t. I have you down as (a nice guy, obviously) as pretty intelligent. Having read that, I'm leaning toward a mad professor sort of way. Seriously 'relatively sane' ? Compared to Corbyn presumably (hopefully not). ?? Holy sh1t. I, hopefully everyone, will hope the country goes from strength to strength. But regardless, it's best for all if we have a top rate opposition. I hope we get one. I’m not sure you’ve understood my post.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 21, 2020 22:22:34 GMT
Hopefully
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 22:28:34 GMT
So, for clarification, I was saying that Johnson isn’t relatively sane.
Not sane at all, in fact.
Any reference to Corbyn is pointless, as I’ve said umpteen feckin times what I think of him, and it’s not complimentary.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 21, 2020 22:38:45 GMT
Relative to who then ?
Don't get me wrong, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is out in terms of whet I think of him.
He's intelligent. One can be intelligent and bonkers, I'd agree.
He seems to be patriotic. I feel Thatcher was the last PM who could be accused of that. I'm far too pissed to go into that now, but I feel her predecessors were too. Regardless of what anyone thinks of her or her predecessors opinions. For me, the jury is out with Boris.
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Post by expatjohn on Jan 22, 2020 1:06:53 GMT
Johnson insane? Really? So you are you suggesting the lunatics have taken over the asylum, or are we about to leave the asylum?
PS: Bethlem Royal Hospital is still open I believe. Shall we move the house there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 9:16:24 GMT
Johnson insane? Really? So you are you suggesting the lunatics have taken over the asylum, or are we about to leave the asylum? PS: Bethlem Royal Hospital is still open I believe. Shall we move the house there? Are you suggesting that them foreigners are the mad ones then? All 27 countries? The insane are still in the minority in most modern societies. Sadly not in the UK, it would seem.
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Post by expatjohn on Jan 22, 2020 9:46:35 GMT
Foreigners aren't English, so of course they are barmy. 🇬🇧
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:04:20 GMT
Foreigners aren't English, so of course they are barmy. 🇬🇧 I’m aware that this comment by this particular poster is intended as a wind-up, so he can put his landing net away. Ironically, and sadly, the comment does sum up the feelings of many people in the UK, and goes some way to explaining why recent votes have gone the way they have. Simple xenophobia.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 22, 2020 10:08:41 GMT
I think it's fair to say the way the EU have gone balls out to keep us in the EU, isn't down to insanity.
But it's not for our benefit, either. It's for their's. That's why we're off, not because the pm's bonkers.
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Post by expatjohn on Jan 22, 2020 10:12:31 GMT
Almost.... 😁😁😁
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:14:50 GMT
I think it's fair to say the way the EU have gone balls out to keep us in the EU, isn't down to insanity. But it's not for our benefit, either. It's for their's. That's why we're off, not because the pm's bonkers. Really? The EU fighting their own corner rather than lying down and allowing themselves to be walked all over by a truculent xenophobic nation? How dare they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:15:16 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 22, 2020 11:57:56 GMT
I think it's fair to say the way the EU have gone balls out to keep us in the EU, isn't down to insanity. But it's not for our benefit, either. It's for their's. That's why we're off, not because the pm's bonkers. Really? The EU fighting their own corner rather than lying down and allowing themselves to be walked all over by a truculent xenophobic nation? How dare they? Yes the EU are fighting their corner. The EU can't afford to let us go, or have us making a success of going. Hopefully we shall all do the same, and have none of our MPs, courts, media and civil service fighting for the EU. I doubt it though. Also, if the UK was xenophobic then we wouldn't have all the people busting their nuts and risking their lives to get here.
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