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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 10:28:54 GMT
This is just a great day and the beginning of the end of being told what to do by unelected EUROPRATTS
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Post by bluenoserob on Jan 31, 2020 10:51:59 GMT
And that’s a yes from me Tilts 👍
Democracy Rules.
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
Now we will just be told what to do by all those countries we are desperate not to upset in case they won't give us a trade deal - soooo much better ....
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Post by bluenoserob on Jan 31, 2020 11:13:45 GMT
I would have thought that there will be many many countries who will be bending over backwards to agree a trade deal with this country.
With over 60 million people here, they would be mad not to.
A wonderful opportunity for the world to grasp.
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 11:30:19 GMT
I would have thought that there will be many many countries who will be bending over backwards to agree a trade deal with this country. With over 60 million people here, they would be mad not to. A wonderful opportunity for the world to grasp. Let's see, it is a long way from being certain, guaranteed or even possible. You have more faith in our Government and elected politicians than I do.
www.theage.com.au/world/europe/the-end-of-the-beginning-uncertainty-in-the-capital-of-brexit-england-20200127-p53v84.html
"The negotiation task is huge," warns Institute of Government senior researcher Maddy Thimont Jack.
"'Taking back control' was the slogan of the referendum campaign but what that means is actually having to set up entirely new domestic policies in areas like agriculture, fisheries and the environment and get the UK ready for managing those areas at the end of a relatively short transition period," she says. "There has been a realisation that this is all more difficult than people had first thought."
The two most likely options by the end of this year's transition period are a bare bones goods-only trade agreement, or no agreement at all.
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Post by Oldman on Jan 31, 2020 13:27:54 GMT
This is just a great day and the beginning of the end of being told what to do by unelected EUROPRATTS Spot on...they were the reason I voted Brexit and the second rate representatives called Gravy Trainers (MEP). I asked our local MP how he rated Euro MP's, he said on a scale of 1-10, 10 being himself, he said 2 maybe 3, he added that any prospective politician would not try to become an MEP, failed politicians become MEP's |
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 14:14:55 GMT
Now we will just be told what to do by all those countries we are desperate not to upset in case they won't give us a trade deal - soooo much better .... Nah mate. Boris has already annoyed Donald with that 5G thing. (Not that I'm all for it), but. We'll do what we want. |
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 14:22:49 GMT
Now we will just be told what to do by all those countries we are desperate not to upset in case they won't give us a trade deal - soooo much better .... Nah mate. Boris has already annoyed Donald with that 5G thing. (Not that I'm all for it), but. We'll do what we want. Indeed we will. However I couldn't put it better than Tiffany:
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 14:25:29 GMT
Nah mate. Boris has already annoyed Donald with that 5G thing. (Not that I'm all for it), but. We'll do what we want. Indeed we will. However I couldn't put it better than Tiffany:
Ha ha. The escapee usually is alone to start with. We have friends. Better friends than in the EU. Here's one for you |
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 14:43:02 GMT
When there was a recent UN vote regarding the Chagos Islands, the only countries that voted with us were the US, Hungary, Israel, Australia and the Maldives (arguably for security reasons specifically in their case). So in reality we are down to 4 friends, it’s a start at least I guess.
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 14:50:37 GMT
When there was a recent UN vote regarding the Chagos Islands, the only countries that voted with us were the US, Hungary, Israel, Australia and the Maldives (arguably for security reasons specifically in their case). So in reality we are down to 4 friends, it’s a start at least I guess. I'm not surprised about Canada (their leaders) right now. But no New Zealand. That's sad. You either get it, or you don't. You either feel it, or you don't. It's either in you, or it isn't |
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 15:11:18 GMT
Well I am as proud an Englishman and Briton as you will find anywhere, but have never thought being in the EU somehow made that pride any lesser. Personally I was ok with the status quo, without saying that everything about it was perfect. We now face many years of differing degrees of uncertainty from which we may come out smelling of roses or of something else.
The basic problem with our country is that we don’t make anything any more that other countries want to buy, and we don’t invest in our own industry or fail to stop that industry falling into foreign hands (Cadbury?) - we are now heavily reliant on foreign investment and ownership and suddenly we have become far less attractive for that investment without our guaranteed access to the EU. Why would you now choose to invest in the U.K. and create quality manufacturing and other jobs here when Poland is a cheaper and more attractive option? My previous firm has just moved 350 quality Finance positions from the U.K. to Poland, nothing to do with Brexit allegedly. My current firm is having to spend millions to be Brexit ready, all money that won’t be spent on something else.
If you work in local business or industry where EU rules can be seen as bureaucratic, then I can understand the attraction to get out. But there are many other key sectors of our economy where the next few years are riddled with uncertainty, especially at a time when it seems manufacturing industry is queuing up to leave these shores (Honda, Dyson, to name but 2).
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 15:57:56 GMT
 Well there's no point in going over the rights and wrongs of it again. It's done. No-one knows how it will turn out. We have a pretty good idea what staying in would have been like. Your opinions are perfectly valid, and I'm sure you love your country. I don't think you get it (see it), in the sense I was on about. Nothing wrong with that. For me, it's a liberty thing. Or as Mr Adams put it (harshly if he was talking to yourself) “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” |
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Post by bluepeter on Jan 31, 2020 17:35:11 GMT
Well there's no point in going over the rights and wrongs of it again. It's done. No-one knows how it will turn out. We have a pretty good idea what staying in would have been like. Your opinions are perfectly valid, and I'm sure you love your country. I don't think you get it (see it), in the sense I was on about. Nothing wrong with that. For me, it's a liberty thing. Or as Mr Adams put it (harshly if he was talking to yourself) “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” Was that Tony or Grizzly?  |
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 17:37:46 GMT
Very good. Samuel. |
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Post by bringbackstanding on Jan 31, 2020 18:09:42 GMT
Remainiacs and Remoaners will campaign to rejoin. However I suspect there will be no EU left to rejoin in the future... a doomed bankrupt undemoncratic project .
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Post by tonyhancock on Jan 31, 2020 18:24:35 GMT
Depends. Unfortunately I think Boris will give them tens of billions to keep them going. But sooner or later, other nations will have to cough up more to make up the UK shortfall, and they might start wondering if it's worth it.
The EU can't afford for the UK to be seen as making a success of it. This too may prove fatal. It's not going to be pretty.
Then there's the immigrants. Whatever you thought of the poster, they're real, and they aren't exactly model citizens.
I think there's a reason the EU wants an army, and it's not to defend itself against Russia. That's already covered.
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