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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 17:43:29 GMT
I find it hard to agree with Hamas or a state of Palestine. There people are electing Hamas who have a mission statement to destroy Israel. Our media coverage as with everything is shit, they are allowing Hamas a lot of coverage parroting there lines. Like the hospital bombing which was actually a misfired Hamas rocket. Palestine are the aggressors here but the media will have you believe its the jews. Possibly because theres 5 million muslims in the country who they are pandering to. The quickest way to get this solved is to say until Hamas surrender and are killed Palestine aren't getting aid financial or humanitarian. Then they either surrender or let there people starve to death. This could even be a US-Iran proxy war.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 23, 2023 20:03:20 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 23, 2023 20:04:06 GMT
I find it hard to agree with Hamas or a state of Palestine. There people are electing Hamas who have a mission statement to destroy Israel. Our media coverage as with everything is shit, they are allowing Hamas a lot of coverage parroting there lines. Like the hospital bombing which was actually a misfired Hamas rocket. Palestine are the aggressors here but the media will have you believe its the jews. Possibly because theres 5 million muslims in the country who they are pandering to. The quickest way to get this solved is to say until Hamas surrender and are killed Palestine aren't getting aid financial or humanitarian. Then they either surrender or let there people starve to death. This could even be a US-Iran proxy war. You can be pretty sure the Palestinians have their own horror stories which don't make the 6 o clock news. The recent developments didn't come out of no-where, and for no reason. My guess is, it will end up with another Israeli land grab, and a fresh wave of immigrants for Europe.
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Post by choc on Oct 25, 2023 9:31:39 GMT
The thing I don't get with the pro Palestinian mob is their history lessons when they only want to talk about the last 75 years. I would like to know what these 'historians' would have done with the Jewish people 75 years ago. Where would they have put them 75 years ago. The history of the desputed land goes back more than 75 years. The Jewish people were there, with others, BC. The Jewish people were all over the Middle East living in Muslim countries. Do they now? NO, they were driven out. I have been drinking in one or two working man establishments for a few years now and can honestly say I have heard numerous racist comments. I can also honestly say that I have never heard one racist comment against the Jewish community. Strange that 🤔
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 25, 2023 20:32:35 GMT
The thing I don't get with the pro Palestinian mob is their history lessons when they only want to talk about the last 75 years. I would like to know what these 'historians' would have done with the Jewish people 75 years ago. Where would they have put them 75 years ago. The history of the desputed land goes back more than 75 years. The Jewish people were there, with others, BC. The Jewish people were all over the Middle East living in Muslim countries. Do they now? NO, they were driven out. I have been drinking in one or two working man establishments for a few years now and can honestly say I have heard numerous racist comments. I can also honestly say that I have never heard one racist comment against the Jewish community. Strange that 🤔 What to do is, light a few candles, hold hands and sing 'Don't look back in anger' Sorted.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 25, 2023 21:06:57 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 29, 2023 18:31:51 GMT
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Post by choc on Oct 30, 2023 10:08:01 GMT
It all upsetting, it's called war. Innocent men, women and children always suffer or die. Folks seem to think that modern war is all about smart weapons. Hamas have put their own people in this situation. They will say its Israel. That depends on how far you want to go back in history. Most only want to talk about the last 75 years. That's the bit I don't get. Did anyone watch, The Devil's Confession: The Lost Eichmann Tapes, we could start there or go further back to the treatment of the Jews in the Middle East or the world for that matter🤔
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 30, 2023 13:41:09 GMT
I mainly go back to WW1. The Jews have been booted out of over 100 countries. I don't think either side covers itself in glory. As you say, it's the people who get caught up in it, which brings tears to the eyes.
Bottom line, I think Palestine will shrink, and Europe will get flooded again. Possibly by mainly fighting aged men, as usual.
The Israelis don't need any help, hopefully it won't pull other nations into the mix, on behalf of the Palestinians.
One thing's for sure, this country is in no position to go to war on behalf of Israel
Ukraine looks like it's getting dropped, Covid style.
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Post by choc on Oct 30, 2023 15:37:10 GMT
Oh yes imagine if it all really kicks off and all young men called up to battle. Think we might hit a snag there. Ukraine gone off the news doesn't surprise me. Our MSM is shocking.
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Post by tonyhancock on Oct 30, 2023 16:05:52 GMT
Oh yes imagine if it all really kicks off and all young men called up to battle. Think we might hit a snag there. Ukraine gone off the news doesn't surprise me. Our MSM is shocking. There are massive protests going on. The MSM doesn't show the extent of protests they don't want to promote. Think Brexit or UKIP a few years ago. You can always add a 0 to their assessments of numbers. White British are in a minority in all of the major cities. The boat people outnumber the army (who really have been trying to get the 'diversity' up). Can you imagine going to war against a muslim country, on behalf of Israel. If you can, you can see it can't happen.
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Post by cnote on Nov 5, 2023 12:09:58 GMT
I find it hard to agree with Hamas or a state of Palestine. There people are electing Hamas who have a mission statement to destroy Israel. Our media coverage as with everything is shit, they are allowing Hamas a lot of coverage parroting there lines. Like the hospital bombing which was actually a misfired Hamas rocket. Palestine are the aggressors here but the media will have you believe its the jews. Possibly because theres 5 million muslims in the country who they are pandering to. The quickest way to get this solved is to say until Hamas surrender and are killed Palestine aren't getting aid financial or humanitarian. Then they either surrender or let there people starve to death. This could even be a US-Iran proxy war. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism.
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Post by choc on Nov 5, 2023 16:49:11 GMT
I find it hard to agree with Hamas or a state of Palestine. There people are electing Hamas who have a mission statement to destroy Israel. Our media coverage as with everything is shit, they are allowing Hamas a lot of coverage parroting there lines. Like the hospital bombing which was actually a misfired Hamas rocket. Palestine are the aggressors here but the media will have you believe its the jews. Possibly because theres 5 million muslims in the country who they are pandering to. The quickest way to get this solved is to say until Hamas surrender and are killed Palestine aren't getting aid financial or humanitarian. Then they either surrender or let there people starve to death. This could even be a US-Iran proxy war. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Depends how far you wish to go back in history. I find Palestinian supporters are very selective with their history. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Don't know where you get the population of UK stance being opposite to the government or opposition party Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Yes I would of course like to see an end to it but have a feeling we will be disappointed. Its not all about Israel accepting the state of Palestine it also the Palestinians getting rid of the radical organisations within. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. Hamas don't have serious weapons but Israel do. They could turn Gaza into a carpark tomorrow if they so wished. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. So where do they think the Jewish homeland should be.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 5, 2023 20:57:03 GMT
I find it hard to agree with Hamas or a state of Palestine. There people are electing Hamas who have a mission statement to destroy Israel. Our media coverage as with everything is shit, they are allowing Hamas a lot of coverage parroting there lines. Like the hospital bombing which was actually a misfired Hamas rocket. Palestine are the aggressors here but the media will have you believe its the jews. Possibly because theres 5 million muslims in the country who they are pandering to. The quickest way to get this solved is to say until Hamas surrender and are killed Palestine aren't getting aid financial or humanitarian. Then they either surrender or let there people starve to death. This could even be a US-Iran proxy war. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. Well that's nice, and credit where it's due (last sentence). Off the bat, I'm on neither side. I try to play devil's advocate on most things. I don't think either side wants the other there. Israel isn't going to accept Palestine. I don't buy the Palistions accidentally blew up their own hospital, and I don't think they have the weapons. I'll believe they acted like animals, but I don't think it's out of the blue. Open air prison, denied basic stuff, and occasionally shot at for 30 years, isn't going to bring out the best in anyone.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 5, 2023 21:18:12 GMT
I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. 1. Depends how far you wish to go back in history. I find Palestinian supporters are very selective with their history. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. 2. Don't know where you get the population of UK stance being opposite to the government or opposition party Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. 3. Yes I would of course like to see an end to it but have a feeling we will be disappointed. Its not all about Israel accepting the state of Palestine it also the Palestinians getting rid of the radical organisations within. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. 4a. Hamas don't have serious weapons but Israel do. 4bThey could turn Gaza into a carpark tomorrow if they so wished. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. 5. So where do they think the Jewish homeland should be.Again, playing devil's advocate: 1. How far back do you suggest ? Who should decide how far back ? 2. Sort of agree. I don't like it much when people talk for the whole country. Generally speaking, I believe people don't get what they vote for, or more accurately, what they think they are voting for. 3. Bit of both, really. My understanding is - Israel takes liberties (first few decades), Palestinians start a fight they can't win, lose territory. And repeat. 4a I don't think they do. If we ride with they actually did accidentally blow up their own hospital, what happened with their subsequent attempts ? I don't think they do have great weapons. 4b Oh yes. And they are itching to. As I've said previously, another land grab, and millions more heading to Europe. 5. England ? Where do you think people should be displaced from, so that they can have an ethnostate ? What about Aborigines, Kurds, Sioux and so on ? Catalans. There must be dozens of peoples who don't have a homeland.
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Post by cnote on Nov 6, 2023 6:41:11 GMT
I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Depends how far you wish to go back in history. I find Palestinian supporters are very selective with their history. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Don't know where you get the population of UK stance being opposite to the government or opposition party Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Yes I would of course like to see an end to it but have a feeling we will be disappointed. Its not all about Israel accepting the state of Palestine it also the Palestinians getting rid of the radical organisations within. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. Hamas don't have serious weapons but Israel do. They could turn Gaza into a carpark tomorrow if they so wished. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. So where do they think the Jewish homeland should be.1. I didn’t profess myself to be a Palestinian supporter. 2. Have you not seen the numbers of people protesting it’s a lot more than is being declared by the media. 4. Israel could indeed use nuclear weapons and completely destroy the Gaza, but it would probably start world war 3. Not even Turkey, could or would ignore that. 5. Not in the Middle East for sure the European Jews, have no history in that region of the world. There are Jews from that region with more validation than the Ashkenazi Jews do.
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 10:19:15 GMT
I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. 1. Depends how far you wish to go back in history. I find Palestinian supporters are very selective with their history. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. 2. Don't know where you get the population of UK stance being opposite to the government or opposition party Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. 3. Yes I would of course like to see an end to it but have a feeling we will be disappointed. Its not all about Israel accepting the state of Palestine it also the Palestinians getting rid of the radical organisations within. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. 4a. Hamas don't have serious weapons but Israel do. 4bThey could turn Gaza into a carpark tomorrow if they so wished. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. 5. So where do they think the Jewish homeland should be.Again, playing devil's advocate: 1. How far back do you suggest ? Who should decide how far back ? 2. Sort of agree. I don't like it much when people talk for the whole country. Generally speaking, I believe people don't get what they vote for, or more accurately, what they think they are voting for. 3. Bit of both, really. My understanding is - Israel takes liberties (first few decades), Palestinians start a fight they can't win, lose territory. And repeat. 4a I don't think they do. If we ride with they actually did accidentally blow up their own hospital, what happened with their subsequent attempts ? I don't think they do have great weapons. 4b Oh yes. And they are itching to. As I've said previously, another land grab, and millions more heading to Europe. 5. England ? Where do you think people should be displaced from, so that they can have an ethnostate ? What about Aborigines, Kurds, Sioux and so on ? Catalans. There must be dozens of peoples who don't have a homeland. 1. The problem is that most who open their mouths only want to quote the last 75 years. What they fail to say is that the Arab world told the Palestinians to withdraw out of the disputed territory but many refused. My father was there, in the British army, witnessed it all. If you look at the history of the land, the Palestinians, who like Israel are a very young nation, never owned the land. If anything the Jewish people were there way before. 3. It was actually the Palestinians that started the fight all based on religion. 4b. They could of course head to friendly Muslim states and not Europe but I agree most would head to 'friendly' England. 5. I think with what happened to the Jewish people before and during the 2nd World War, they were entitled. I would have given them half of Germany but the sensible place was probably where they are now. You can't really compare, Aborigines, Kurds, Sioux and so on ? Catalans, although I sympathise, the treatment of the Jewish people has been on a different level.
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 10:28:39 GMT
I’m not sure anyone can be sure who’s to blame other than to point out Hamas, was the cause of recent developments. That in isolation would be correct but we don’t get to see the bad things witnessed on a daily basis by Palestinians. Depends how far you wish to go back in history. I find Palestinian supporters are very selective with their history. Anything that helps to bring a cessation of this war is good imo. I’m sick of seeing innocent women and children killed. I’m annoyed with our leaders that fail to see their stance on the war is at odds with the population. Don't know where you get the population of UK stance being opposite to the government or opposition party Most people don’t care about the rights and wrongs we just want it to end. Unless Israel is accepting to a state of Palestine I don’t see this situation becoming any easier to manage. Yes I would of course like to see an end to it but have a feeling we will be disappointed. Its not all about Israel accepting the state of Palestine it also the Palestinians getting rid of the radical organisations within. Every 10 years or so and the weapons available to Hamas and other similar organisations sees them armed with better equipment to the previous conflict. They now have precision guided missiles and are using it on a regular basis in Gaza. Hezballah, the same. Hamas don't have serious weapons but Israel do. They could turn Gaza into a carpark tomorrow if they so wished. I live really close to a Jewish area in London and it’s being good to see a few Jews displaying their anger with Zionism. So where do they think the Jewish homeland should be.1. I didn’t profess myself to be a Palestinian supporter. 2. Have you not seen the numbers of people protesting it’s a lot more than is being declared by the media. 4. Israel could indeed use nuclear weapons and completely destroy the Gaza, but it would probably start world war 3. Not even Turkey, could or would ignore that. 5. Not in the Middle East for sure the European Jews, have no history in that region of the world. There are Jews from that region with more validation than the Ashkenazi Jews do. 1. I didn't say you did but you come across that way. 2. That's not the feeling of the whole country though is it. 3. I don't expect they will, they don't need to. 5. It has always been the Jewish holy land. The reason why Jewish people ended up in Europe is because they were driven out of the Middle East by the Muslims.
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Post by cnote on Nov 6, 2023 11:17:52 GMT
Until yesterday I hadn’t posted anything on the war so I’m a bit miffed how you’ve come to that conclusion.
These Jews have nothing and I mean nothing to do with the Middle East.
Dna doesn’t lie and there’s hardly any Jews with a bloodline that relates them to the Middle East.
Anyway I doubt you’ll take my word for it so I suggest you watch a few dna videos for further validation.
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 12:49:42 GMT
These Jews have nothing and I mean nothing to do with the Middle East.
Dna doesn’t lie and there’s hardly any Jews with a bloodline that relates them to the Middle East.
WOW.
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Post by cnote on Nov 6, 2023 14:25:00 GMT
I done my dna several years ago and some of my family have the Ashkenazi, dna. So I got an expert to look at my dna and he placed it to parts of east Europe and southern Europe.
There were no markers for North Africa or the Middle East. Failing that you can Google Ashkenazi Jews, you will see most of the origins are based on theory and not scientific fact.
I have seen some Jews with African dna but it’s very rare which surprised me. If the aforementioned group have links to Palestine and the Middle East there should be more with a sprinkling of African dna.
Israel is on the African tectonic plate.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 6, 2023 16:42:10 GMT
Again, playing devil's advocate: 1. How far back do you suggest ? Who should decide how far back ? 2. Sort of agree. I don't like it much when people talk for the whole country. Generally speaking, I believe people don't get what they vote for, or more accurately, what they think they are voting for. 3. Bit of both, really. My understanding is - Israel takes liberties (first few decades), Palestinians start a fight they can't win, lose territory. And repeat. 4a I don't think they do. If we ride with they actually did accidentally blow up their own hospital, what happened with their subsequent attempts ? I don't think they do have great weapons. 4b Oh yes. And they are itching to. As I've said previously, another land grab, and millions more heading to Europe. 5. England ? Where do you think people should be displaced from, so that they can have an ethnostate ? What about Aborigines, Kurds, Sioux and so on ? Catalans. There must be dozens of peoples who don't have a homeland. 1. The problem is that most who open their mouths only want to quote the last 75 years. What they fail to say is that the Arab world told the Palestinians to withdraw out of the disputed territory but many refused. My father was there, in the British army, witnessed it all. If you look at the history of the land, the Palestinians, who like Israel are a very young nation, never owned the land. If anything the Jewish people were there way before. 3. It was actually the Palestinians that started the fight all based on religion. 4b. They could of course head to friendly Muslim states and not Europe but I agree most would head to 'friendly' England. 5. I think with what happened to the Jewish people before and during the 2nd World War, they were entitled. I would have given them half of Germany but the sensible place was probably where they are now. You can't really compare, Aborigines, Kurds, Sioux and so on ? Catalans, although I sympathise, the treatment of the Jewish people has been on a different level. 1. Well first of all, assuming your dad isn't a synagogue enthusiast, and therefore has no dog in the fight, then he's the closing thing we have to observing things for ourselves, and therefore most reliable. The then British territory was split between the two. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947_de.svg/560px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947_de.svg.pngI've been looking, and I can't find the book I was reading, which didn't put all the blame on one side, for the conflicts. The point is, one people have been displaced. And displaced scenearabia.com/Content/Admin/Uploads/Articles/ArticleImages/55aefa02-f7bd-4e57-96e4-cc21aac68b90.jpgWhether or not they should be, isn't for me to say. It is a fact. 3. Again, I don't think either side covers themselves in glory 4b. Hmm there are more Christian Palestinians than Christian Israelis, but I know what you mean. I don't think they want to go to Muslim countries, and I don't think those countries want them, particularly. I could be wrong, but they don't seem to pile into them. 5. Ah the historical treatment of the Jews and the story of WW2. Probably best not to go into it all, on here. It'd take years, anyway. It wasn't just Germany who were trying to boot them out (First to Palestine, then later toying with Madagascar (?!) ) They've been booted out of something like 111 countries (and Germany's European neighbours didn't want them). Best to leave that, there. WW2 in general. Slowly I've come to realise what we've been told. Constantly. Since birth. Isn't exactly 100% accurate. It's a big contribution to why I am like I am. I really, really, really wish I'd let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 16:45:27 GMT
I done my dna several years ago and some of my family have the Ashkenazi, dna. So I got an expert to look at my dna and he placed it to parts of east Europe and southern Europe. There were no markers for North Africa or the Middle East. Failing that you can Google Ashkenazi Jews, you will see most of the origins are based on theory and not scientific fact. I have seen some Jews with African dna but it’s very rare which surprised me. If the aforementioned group have links to Palestine and the Middle East there should be more with a sprinkling of African dna. Israel is on the African tectonic plate. Judaism (Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת Yahăḏūṯ) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic, and ethnic religion. It comprises the collective spiritual, cultural, and legal traditions of the Jewish people,[1][2][3] having originated as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age Contemporary Judaism evolved from Yahwism, the cultic religious movement of ancient Israel and Judah, around the 6th/5th century BC. I think you would find some DNA there.
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Post by cnote on Nov 6, 2023 17:24:58 GMT
This was a response to my dna kit on my Jewish ancestry.
When I do your ethnicity I see Western Mediterranean, Eastern Mediterranean, North Africa, and Red Sea. Red Sea may mean Mizrahi. Typically it is Sephardic and Levant is Mizrahi but Jews mingled and comingled and married Ashkenazi as well but I did not run the Jtest which is the Jewish test on you. I'll do it now. OK 4.08 % of South Baltic which indicates a mix of Ashkenazi and Scandanavian. Not a lot but Eastern European is there as well which I think is Ashkenazi mixed with Plish or Russian, I don't know enough to tell. You do have Middle Eastern under the Jtest so definitely Sephadrdic/Mizrahi
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 18:43:09 GMT
Can we believe the Hamas figures regarding the deaths of the innocent in Gaza. The BBC seem obsessed with it repeatedly reporting Hamas information like it's all true. You would have thought they would have learned some lessons after covid.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 6, 2023 19:24:00 GMT
This was a response to my dna kit on my Jewish ancestry. When I do your ethnicity I see Western Mediterranean, Eastern Mediterranean, North Africa, and Red Sea. Red Sea may mean Mizrahi. Typically it is Sephardic and Levant is Mizrahi but Jews mingled and comingled and married Ashkenazi as well but I did not run the Jtest which is the Jewish test on you. I'll do it now. OK 4.08 % of South Baltic which indicates a mix of Ashkenazi and Scandanavian. Not a lot but Eastern European is there as well which I think is Ashkenazi mixed with Plish or Russian, I don't know enough to tell. You do have Middle Eastern under the Jtest so definitely Sephadrdic/Mizrahi I think that would have deducted from my understanding
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 6, 2023 19:24:30 GMT
Can we believe the Hamas figures regarding the deaths of the innocent in Gaza. The BBC seem obsessed with it repeatedly reporting Hamas information like it's all true. You would have thought they would have learned some lessons after covid. You watch the BBC !
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Post by choc on Nov 6, 2023 20:04:13 GMT
Can we believe the Hamas figures regarding the deaths of the innocent in Gaza. The BBC seem obsessed with it repeatedly reporting Hamas information like it's all true. You would have thought they would have learned some lessons after covid. You watch the BBC ! Always got eyes on the enemy mate 😉
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 6, 2023 20:06:32 GMT
Always got eyes on the enemy mate 😉
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