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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 10, 2023 23:41:48 GMT
I'm aware of two schools of thought on this. 1. Patriots who intend a counter demonstration, will be on foreign turf. It's pretty obvious who's side the mayor will be on. The press will spin it to focus attention away from the 'Pro Palestine' supporters, and onto what they will call far right etc. The police will not be on their side. Don't fall into the trap. 2. It doesn't matter about what the press say. The optics. That battle is already lost. We saw it during the BLM thing. The same press (government and police) who weren't worried about the optics of children being belt fed 'haircut gang' cock, were treating the riots as mostly peaceful. Make a stand. I don't know what to think. Bit of a tricky one. The same people who want to push the immigration, don't want to mention that pro Palestine is also anti Israel. I imagine they are (probably correctly) relying on their ability to switch people's attention at will. Brexit, Trump, Covid, BLM, Covid again, Ukraine, Palestine all with a good sprinkling of rainbow shit. My advice to the Palestine mob would be don't touch the Armistice. They have a good case, which would be shot to hell by insulting a whole people. Tony you talk a lot of sense. People are fed so much shit through the media that they are unable to think for themselves and accept it as the gospel truth. The only way to be is to question everything and make your own judgement. Both sides of the argument need to be examined without bias and many sources need to used. Armistice means peace so I'm all for people calling for peace and a ceasefire to all hostilities. It is what our grandparents fought for in the world wars. There will be misguided young gangsta wannabe idiots who do not understand what Armistice means and will only see the soldiers and police as authoritative figures and as puppets (and extensions) of the Israel supporting Government to control the voices of the masses. It is a dumb uneducated society we live in. It won't happen but nothing would be more powerful than a very large group respecting Armistice and walking in silence. It would shut up nasty politicians like Braverman who wants to incite the far right and cause trouble at the protests so she can tell everyone she is correct that it is an anti-British hate mob. The truth is most are not marching for the destruction of Israel but because of the appalling loss of life of thousands of innocent people by bombs our Government is funding. I honestly try to not give the mods a problem. So I'm ducking the volumes I could write. 'It would shut up nasty politicians like Braverman (1)who wants to incite the far right and cause trouble at the protests (2)so she can tell everyone she is correct that it is an anti-British hate mob' But who's the target ? The far right or the Palestinians. Well Muslims, let's face it, they aren't all from Palestine. I don't know. We'll find out. We'll find out when we hear what 'the solutions' are.
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Post by cnote on Nov 11, 2023 8:52:54 GMT
Isn't the 2 minute silence held on Sunday at 11 o clock. I hear the march is being held in South London actually on the other side of the Thames. I hear there were about 40 arrests in the last march which attracted over 500,000 people. Many will be doing tomorrow 11 am on the 11th. Don't think it was 500,000. I would like to ask people how they feel protesting stood next to a supporter of terrorism 🤔 I bet you were saying the same when referencing Mandela, bitd he was once described as a terrorist. The right wing led counter march is looking ever increasingly like it will be seen as a failure despite everything done to stir up division and hatred by the likes of Robinson and Braverman. I honestly hope they get everything they deserve tbh. Any civilised person that ignores the death of 10,000 plus women and children is evil personified.
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Post by choc on Nov 11, 2023 9:56:46 GMT
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Post by choc on Nov 11, 2023 10:19:04 GMT
Many will be doing tomorrow 11 am on the 11th. Don't think it was 500,000. I would like to ask people how they feel protesting stood next to a supporter of terrorism 🤔 I bet you were saying the same when referencing Mandela, bitd he was once described as a terrorist. The right wing led counter march is looking ever increasingly like it will be seen as a failure despite everything done to stir up division and hatred by the likes of Robinson and Braverman. I honestly hope they get everything they deserve tbh. Any civilised person that ignores the death of 10,000 plus women and children is evil personified. 1. Didn't take much notice of this at the time as I was a youngish man enjoying life and not into politics particularly in another country that held no direct threat to mine. 2. There is no 'right wing' march planned. You may of course get a few who might try but don't they have the same rights to march/protest. 3. Nobody is ignoring the deaths of the innocent, they are always on the end of bombs in any war, but these protesters marching today and previous weeks, where have they been for the innocent victims in the Ukraine, Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Libya, Mali, Somalia, South Sudan, and Syria who are all currently experiencing wars, resulting in significant innocent casualties and displacement.
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Post by cnote on Nov 11, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
Those other wars especially in Africa don’t get the exposure it needs to get the masses animated.
For me and many others unfortunately the march being led by Robinson et al are known to be Islamophobic. So is the Tory party for that matter.
You can try to dress it up as something totally different but it ain’t going to work people from all walks of life will be marching with the peace protesters because they have a conscience.
Didn’t the Muslims fight for Britain in WW1? Why would they risk harming their cause by showing up at the cenotaph? It’s pathetic to suggest they would and it’s clutching at straws hoping they do show up.
Only one lot making themselves look stupid and it isn’t the peace protesters.
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Post by jazzzy786 on Nov 11, 2023 11:07:51 GMT
Those other wars especially in Africa don’t get the exposure it needs to get the masses animated. For me and many others unfortunately the march being led by Robinson et al are known to be Islamophobic. So is the Tory party for that matter. You can try to dress it up as something totally different but it ain’t going to work people from all walks of life will be marching with the peace protesters because they have a conscience. Didn’t the Muslims fight for Britain in WW1? Why would they risk harming their cause by showing up at the cenotaph? It’s pathetic to suggest they would and it’s clutching at straws hoping they do show up. Only one lot making themselves look stupid and it isn’t the peace protesters. The march is not a Muslim march it is a march containing concerned citizens of all religions against the unjustified massacre of thousands of innocent people. The pro Israeli people are using the the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan in WW2 to bring world peace as an example that flattening Gaza and killing thousands of innocents is justified. As a parent myself I am horrified that the systematic butchering of whole families is being seen as collateral damage.
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Post by cnote on Nov 11, 2023 11:35:24 GMT
Absolutely 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 11:58:27 GMT
Those other wars especially in Africa don’t get the exposure it needs to get the masses animated. For me and many others unfortunately the march being led by Robinson et al are known to be Islamophobic. So is the Tory party for that matter. You can try to dress it up as something totally different but it ain’t going to work people from all walks of life will be marching with the peace protesters because they have a conscience. Didn’t the Muslims fight for Britain in WW1? Why would they risk harming their cause by showing up at the cenotaph? It’s pathetic to suggest they would and it’s clutching at straws hoping they do show up. Only one lot making themselves look stupid and it isn’t the peace protesters. The march is not a Muslim march it is a march containing concerned citizens of all religions against the unjustified massacre of thousands of innocent people. The pro Israeli people are using the the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan in WW2 to bring world peace as an example that flattening Gaza and killing thousands of innocents is justified. As a parent myself I am horrified that the systematic butchering of whole families is being seen as collateral damage. Are they innocents or are they Human Shields for the terrorist organisation they elected?
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Post by choc on Nov 11, 2023 12:34:32 GMT
Those other wars especially in Africa don’t get the exposure it needs to get the masses animated. For me and many others unfortunately the march being led by Robinson et al are known to be Islamophobic. So is the Tory party for that matter. You can try to dress it up as something totally different but it ain’t going to work people from all walks of life will be marching with the peace protesters because they have a conscience. Didn’t the Muslims fight for Britain in WW1? Why would they risk harming their cause by showing up at the cenotaph? It’s pathetic to suggest they would and it’s clutching at straws hoping they do show up. Only one lot making themselves look stupid and it isn’t the peace protesters. The march is not a Muslim march it is a march containing concerned citizens of all religions against the unjustified massacre of thousands of innocent people. The pro Israeli people are using the the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan in WW2 to bring world peace as an example that flattening Gaza and killing thousands of innocents is justified. As a parent myself I am horrified that the systematic butchering of whole families is being seen as collateral damage. So again. Where were all these protesters, protesting regarding live ongoing wars today. Why do they choose Gaza and not the others.
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Post by cnote on Nov 11, 2023 17:07:37 GMT
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Post by cnote on Nov 11, 2023 17:11:08 GMT
Over 1m being quoted on some media channels it could be as high as 2m.
The uk public have spoken.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 11, 2023 19:02:25 GMT
Check out the MPs, on my old friend wiki's page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_IsraelThen consider Starmer is married to to a dual citizen, and the Dark Lord is The Special Adviser for Global Affairs for the ADL - who's side do you think they are on ? They can stick their poppy wreaths up their arses, the sniveling rats. Not one of them gives a flying fcuk about the veterans. Personally, I still can't over "You nucts chose to be homeless, so we're taking your tents off you" Unreal
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Post by choc on Nov 12, 2023 0:49:33 GMT
Over 1m being quoted on some media channels it could be as high as 2m. The uk public have spoken. They said 300,000
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Post by choc on Nov 12, 2023 0:51:12 GMT
You disappoint me. 2 million. 🤣🤣
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Post by choc on Nov 12, 2023 0:59:48 GMT
How come anyone on the other march are labeled as far right extremists. Yet on the other march you are just protesting.
There are extremists on both sides.
Reporting is one sided.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 2:02:02 GMT
Over 1m being quoted on some media channels it could be as high as 2m. The uk public have spoken. They said 300,000 300,000 😂😂😂 The sky helicopter showed one end of protesters at Vauxhall bridge whilst the tail end was still in Hyde park. That’s way more than 300,000 people.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 2:06:15 GMT
Check out the MPs, on my old friend wiki's page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_IsraelThen consider Starmer is married to to a dual citizen, and the Dark Lord is The Special Adviser for Global Affairs for the ADL - who's side do you think they are on ? They can stick their poppy wreaths up their arses, the sniveling rats. Not one of them gives a flying fcuk about the veterans. Personally, I still can't over "You nucts chose to be homeless, so we're taking your tents off you" Unreal - 100% this. Did you see how the media changed the narrative from right wing protesters to counter protesters between Am newsreels to counter protesters by Pm? Unfortunately for the counter protesters most people have seen clearly what they’re about.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 2:38:20 GMT
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 3:16:14 GMT
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Post by choc on Nov 12, 2023 10:25:53 GMT
300,000 😂😂😂 The sky helicopter showed one end of protesters at Vauxhall bridge whilst the tail end was still in Hyde park. That’s way more than 300,000 people. 2 million 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 12, 2023 10:27:52 GMT
Yeah it's a shame. From my observations the British government pushed him into a position where he could either step out of the public eye, and get a normal job, or take the shekels. I mean from memory, the court case where that kid was suing him for calling him a bully. I think it was £100,000 compensation for the kids, and £1,000,000 for the kid's legal costs. How many of us have one million to drop on lawyers, because someone called our kid a bully. Tommy's been sent to prison, kept in solitary confinement, living on cans of tuna, whilst having the guards tell him his wife (who he can't speak to) is getting acid attack threats. So, he ends up going from the enemy of the state, to another agent, just like them. He won't criticise the people who are big promoters of immigration into the West Sorry Tommy, you're getting rumbled. Slowly but surely
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 12, 2023 10:32:17 GMT
300,000 😂😂😂 The sky helicopter showed one end of protesters at Vauxhall bridge whilst the tail end was still in Hyde park. That’s way more than 300,000 people. 2 million 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Could easily be, but you made a good point that there are plenty of other causes they could be protesting about. They needn't worry, really. OK they are emphasising the point, but it's pretty obvious to me, that this country is in no position whatsoever, to go to war against a muslim country, on behalf of Israel.
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Post by choc on Nov 12, 2023 10:42:59 GMT
Could easily be, but you made a good point that there are plenty of other causes they could be protesting about. They needn't worry, really. OK they are emphasising the point, but it's pretty obvious to me, that this country is in no position whatsoever, to go to war against a muslim country, on behalf of Israel. I don't think anyone is saying we should go to war. If that ever happened then we know that basically world war 3 has started.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 10:54:04 GMT
Yeah it's a shame. From my observations the British government pushed him into a position where he could either step out of the public eye, and get a normal job, or take the shekels. I mean from memory, the court case where that kid was suing him for calling him a bully. I think it was £100,000 compensation for the kids, and £1,000,000 for the kid's legal costs. How many of us have one million to drop on lawyers, because someone called our kid a bully. Tommy's been sent to prison, kept in solitary confinement, living on cans of tuna, whilst having the guards tell him his wife (who he can't speak to) is getting acid attack threats. So, he ends up going from the enemy of the state, to another agent, just like them. He won't criticise the people who are big promoters of immigration into the West Sorry Tommy, you're getting rumbled. Slowly but surely Lots of people making the point that Israel, sold Argentina weapons to use against our troops during the Falklands, conflict. Not exactly the right time to be joining forces when you’re meant to be respecting all the fallen troops. I think that’s Tommy, well and truly finished when the head of the BNP, thinks you’re a wrong un.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 11:02:56 GMT
Could easily be, but you made a good point that there are plenty of other causes they could be protesting about. They needn't worry, really. OK they are emphasising the point, but it's pretty obvious to me, that this country is in no position whatsoever, to go to war against a muslim country, on behalf of Israel. Tony it’s a shit point as you don’t get images of war in Africa on your tv on a daily basis. If so then the war in Congo, for example would’ve been over years ago. The fact it’s still ongoing whilst being the richest African nation for resources tells you everything. Remember every western power is represented in Congo.
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Post by jazzzy786 on Nov 12, 2023 14:08:35 GMT
The march is not a Muslim march it is a march containing concerned citizens of all religions against the unjustified massacre of thousands of innocent people. The pro Israeli people are using the the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan in WW2 to bring world peace as an example that flattening Gaza and killing thousands of innocents is justified. As a parent myself I am horrified that the systematic butchering of whole families is being seen as collateral damage. Are they innocents or are they Human Shields for the terrorist organisation they elected? How do you know the elected them or not? How many voted for Hamas? Was there even a fair election or did they assume control? Maybe the kids all put crosses on the ballot papers foo. They would still be innocent even if Hamas was using them as human shields. They must have a lot of bases too that the Israelis had to flatten the whole city . By that logic everyone who voted Tory is responsible for every fcuk up and bad decision made by Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. It is ethnic cleansing on a huge scale and every decent human being can see that. Like that US politician said "Kill all of them". At least she was honest in expressing herself unlike those saying one thing in public and something totally different in the shadows.
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Post by cnote on Nov 12, 2023 14:14:41 GMT
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 12, 2023 16:26:37 GMT
Could easily be, but you made a good point that there are plenty of other causes they could be protesting about. They needn't worry, really. OK they are emphasising the point, but it's pretty obvious to me, that this country is in no position whatsoever, to go to war against a muslim country, on behalf of Israel. I don't think anyone is saying we should go to war. If that ever happened then we know that basically world war 3 has started. Yep
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 12, 2023 16:28:01 GMT
Yeah it's a shame. From my observations the British government pushed him into a position where he could either step out of the public eye, and get a normal job, or take the shekels. I mean from memory, the court case where that kid was suing him for calling him a bully. I think it was £100,000 compensation for the kids, and £1,000,000 for the kid's legal costs. How many of us have one million to drop on lawyers, because someone called our kid a bully. Tommy's been sent to prison, kept in solitary confinement, living on cans of tuna, whilst having the guards tell him his wife (who he can't speak to) is getting acid attack threats. So, he ends up going from the enemy of the state, to another agent, just like them. He won't criticise the people who are big promoters of immigration into the West Sorry Tommy, you're getting rumbled. Slowly but surely Lots of people making the point that Israel, sold Argentina weapons to use against our troops during the Falklands, conflict. Not exactly the right time to be joining forces when you’re meant to be respecting all the fallen troops. I think that’s Tommy, well and truly finished when the head of the BNP, thinks you’re a wrong un.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 12, 2023 16:31:35 GMT
Let's hope they have more clout with their leaders, than we do with ours
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