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Post by TILTON on Mar 19, 2024 13:41:36 GMT
If you look at the timeline it's quite the feck up.
If you count 8 weeks from the start of this you are literally at Mowbray being back (8 Weeks) just before the Rotherham game. In the world of old men having operations if you are told 6 to 8 weeks surely you are best to plan for worst not best case scenario. If anything maybe factor in infection or slower recovery.
With that in mind going managerless with practically a third of the season to go whilst still looking over our shoulders it's probably just as amateurish a decision as what the chinese could have made. Cook again should be in the dog house considering his experience of the game.
Will 8 games be enough? Will the players we have even be able to play how Rowett wants? You could argue this is like Rowett to Zola but the other way round?
I think we can kiss goodbye to pratting around at the back which will be a relief. Burke, Juke, Hogan, Keshi and Dembele will probably see this as a way in. I am sure also the board will have looked at Dembele being totally dumped as a bad return for a player if managed right that can pull out a goal from outside the box as we have a team of many players that don't shoot that often. When was our last goal from outside the box?
Sanderson and Ruddy may also revel with a tighter defensive unit as it's clear both will never fit into playing out.
It's good he will get a clear week or so training with most of the squad. 4 points from the next two is a must or at worst avoid defeat in both.
It's possible if you avoid defeat against QPR and Huddersfield and win at Rotherham then you probably scrape survival with maybe just one other win. Although that is toeing it.
Ladies and Gentlemen this is manager number 5
A little bit of Mowbray in the sun A little bit of Rowett in league one A little bit of Rooney who's the worst Or a little bit of Venus 21st!
Get me coat!
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 19, 2024 14:24:30 GMT
Every likelihood that it's with the full blessing of TM and. Until the end of season. It gives plenty of time for uncle Tony to fully recover, rather than rush back. Your health first Tony.... good luck. If it isn't with Tony's blessing I'm never going again Well let's hope he was asked. If he was, he couldn't really say no, unless he thought it would be a disaster.
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 19, 2024 14:36:04 GMT
Imagine how it looks to those not following the goings on at Blues. Sack Rowett because 7th on a shoestring wasn't good enough, employ 11+ more managers, not happy with any of those, so go back to Rowett having spent a fortune to get the team to 21st
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Post by stevo on Mar 19, 2024 14:54:12 GMT
Manager of the month is a job title at Blues.
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Post by BluenoseB on Mar 19, 2024 15:33:09 GMT
It raises questions over Tony’s recovery and let’s hope he is still on tract to return in due course. I can see the thinking behind appointing Rowett. We need someone who will make an immediate impact and tighten us up at the back. I expect us to be seeing plenty of Jukey, Gards and Sunjic in the side. Goals remain a concern but that would remain no matter who is in charge. Owners are not scared to intervene for better or worse. Here we go. 'Ollie Burke, calling Ollie Burke.....your time out in the cold is done.' Could their previous time working together mean Ollie will be back? Get your money on it - Ollie Burke to score a 90th minute winner that keeps the Blues in the Championship (you can see it now 😄😄). Didnt go back in for him in the summer after his loan tho.
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Post by dutchblue on Mar 19, 2024 15:44:14 GMT
Imagine how it looks to those not following the goings on at Blues. Sack Rowett because 7th on a shoestring wasn't good enough, employ 11+ more managers, not happy with any of those, so go back to Rowett having spent a fortune to get the team to 21st I think that sums it up very nicely 👍 Even to those who DO follow the goings on at Blues, it is pretty bloody difficult to think of many more badly run football league clubs over the last decade. And we need to get away from Stans asap, because the place is obviously STILL cursed. I take it this is all still a rumour, ‘cos I can’t see any confirmation anywhere. And still no statement from the club…
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Post by bluenoserob on Mar 19, 2024 16:07:41 GMT
Can I just point out that the Juke was signed by GR £900K from I think it was Burnley. I bet he plays him.
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Post by choc on Mar 19, 2024 16:14:20 GMT
Imagine how it looks to those not following the goings on at Blues. Sack Rowett because 7th on a shoestring wasn't good enough, employ 11+ more managers, not happy with any of those, so go back to Rowett having spent a fortune to get the team to 21st That wasn't the reason though was it.
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Post by gammo on Mar 19, 2024 16:24:18 GMT
'Ollie Burke, calling Ollie Burke.....your time out in the cold is done.' Could their previous time working together mean Ollie will be back? Get your money on it - Ollie Burke to score a 90th minute winner that keeps the Blues in the Championship (you can see it now 😄😄). Didnt go back in for him in the summer after his loan tho. True, but he's got him at his disposal now though 😄
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Post by Professor Frink on Mar 19, 2024 16:35:51 GMT
Can I just point out that the Juke was signed by GR £900K from I think it was Burnley. I bet he plays him. judgin by how Juke went down on saturday - id be v surprised if he gets the opportunity to play him
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Post by jazzzy786 on Mar 19, 2024 16:44:56 GMT
It raises questions over Tony’s recovery and let’s hope he is still on tract to return in due course. I can see the thinking behind appointing Rowett. We need someone who will make an immediate impact and tighten us up at the back. I expect us to be seeing plenty of Jukey, Gards and Sunjic in the side. Goals remain a concern but that would remain no matter who is in charge. Owners are not scared to intervene for better or worse. Here we go. Jukes injured mate but Ollie Burke played for him at Millwall.
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Post by tonyhancock on Mar 19, 2024 16:46:06 GMT
Manager of the month is a job title at Blues.
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Post by jazzzy786 on Mar 19, 2024 16:46:58 GMT
Our 6th manager of the season. Is that a world record? What is the most number of managers a club has had in a season?
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Post by expatjohn on Mar 19, 2024 17:04:38 GMT
Our 6th manager of the season. Is that a world record? What is the most number of managers a club has had in a season? Ask Watford.
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Post by jaystan on Mar 19, 2024 17:24:41 GMT
Leeds had them going through the door as well didnt they at 1 point
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Post by gammo on Mar 19, 2024 17:42:12 GMT
When you've had nearly as many managers in one season as your leading goal scorer has got goals 🤦🏼♂️😄😄
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Post by dutchblue on Mar 19, 2024 17:50:24 GMT
Well. It’s 3 managers really, isn’t it? Although, yes, 6 different people will have sent a team out (if confirmed). I like this. I rated Rowett both as a player and a manager. I am in the small minority who called for us to bring in someone on a TEMPORARY basis already for some time now. Rowett makes sense on many levels and I am glad if it is him rather than Warnock, tbh. I don’t think we will see Mowbray back after the summer (something I stated on here back in early February). But if he does return I will be very happy.
What I would like to say is: Get well soon Tony, my very best wishes to you. Please do what’s right for you and your family. Many thanks Mark for stepping up, it was brave and I know you didn’t want to, but you did your best and have my respect for that. I hope you will still be around after this temporary appointment is announced. Good luck Gary, good to see you back, you old #@,+£. Please sort that shower out and keep us up!
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Post by bubba on Mar 19, 2024 18:02:55 GMT
Only just catching up with this and whilst as far as I'm aware there's nothing official it seems to be legit.
Have said before even before the Rowett flashing his knickers at other clubs I'd personally had enough of his one trick pony management with zero attempt to evolve us at all.
Regarding him hawking himself to a few other clubs, was annoyed at the time and for a year or so afterwards, then decided it really wasn't any worse than what most of us do when applying for other jobs and really have no axe to grind with him on that level unlike Monk.
On the plus side, clearly Mowbray isn't ready to come back anytime soon, and I did say until we hear otherwise and whilst as said not official it seems imminent, then it's good that they haven't wasted any time, he'll need as much time as possible to get in there and start worrking.
Also if there's one thing Rowett is good at it's organising a defensive shape and getting more from the sum of the parts of squads, albeit an often dreary watch. Finally as we know he's also good at getting the players to relax and let go of any baggage they might be carrying from recent results gong against them.
On the negative side, there's two main things and unfortnately they are real negatives for me, firstly as good as he is at setting up a defensive shape, his teams don't tend to score that many and arguably we've been struggling with that more in recent games than defending only conceding one goal a game for the past 4 games.
The other thing is that this squad imo is the least likely raw material for a Rowett team we've had in a decade, in fact more than that, in fact he'd have suited ANY of the other sides down there more than us. Despite many fans thinking our players aren't good enough, we have largely transitioned away from the more agricultral collective of the past ten years or so.
We've let Kevin Long go, he'd likely have been a shoe in. Juke has potentially picked up an injury that could keep him sidelined for a while. There's no Donaldson type to lead the line, no Demarai pace to hit on the counter (although I'd lke to see George Hall starting so as to offer this and Rowett may utilise that well) and wingplay such as from Mags and Cotterill we don't really have those types either.
So there's defnitely imo good and bad to consider and I'm not at all sure a 6th voice n charge this season was the way to go but if it's done it's done and got to support him. I do think he's a better manager than when he left us and has added a couple more strings to his bow and he may need them to figure out a shape and style that can get us enough points on the board. Not one to have fullbacks bombing on he wll have wingbacks doing so which is standard tbf and I wouldn't be totally shocked by a 3-5-2 which he has played from time to time, especially at Millwall.
Personally as said the other day I'd like to get Hall in the starting eleven more, pace makes teams defend differently against you.
If Juke is out then I'd even toy with trying him up front, Stansfield looks like he could do with a break from leading the line. I'm open to other suggestions but looking at the squad not sure there's many alternatives. If we had more fit defenders then maybe Aiwu, I know that's pretty left field but he has decent pace and enjoys getting forward and is fairly technical without being weak as piss, desperate times calls for creative thinking.
-------------------------------------AIWU
---------------------STANSFIELD--------------HALL/PRITCHARD
------------PAIK-------------------DOZZEL------------------JJ
BUCHANAN--------------BIELIK-------------SANDERSON-----------DRAMEH
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--------------------STANSFIELD--------------MIYOSHI/PRITCHARD
LAIRD--------------------PAIK------------------JJ-----------------------DRAMEH
----------BUCHANAN-------------BIELIK-------------AIWU/SANDERSON
or maybe he'll just decide we've been playing not too bad in the main, stick at 4-2-3-1 and just tweak things. Taking the emotion and partisan nature out of it I'm curious as to which way he goes, includng the emotion andd partisan nature I'm not sure if things just got better or worse, time will tell but what I would say is if he can get a tune from this particular squad given his general playing style than his managerial abiility will go up a notch or two in my estimation.
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Post by bluescharlie on Mar 19, 2024 18:26:53 GMT
Assuming he sticks with 4231, you’ve got to think Dembele will feature. The main sticking point is his defensive work but on the counter he’s an asset. Closest thing to that maghoma/gray type on the left
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Post by TILTON on Mar 19, 2024 18:54:20 GMT
Blues most successful managers this century PPG.
Mowbray 8 Games 1.63
(Albeit 8 games is not a solid yard stick)
Hughton 62 Games 1.60
Rowett 106 Games 1.49
Then below them are Mcleish and Bruce but you'd have to give them more credit for doing some of their points grabbing in premier.
So at worst over a sustained period Rowett has done ok even if not pretty. Have to factor in the mess he took over. Yeah he had a shit time at Stoke and decent at Derby then Millwall were steady 8th to 15th with no cash he can do a good job with a bad lot.
The Millwall job was always going to go stale as at this level you either do well then get poached, have a mare and get sacked or it becomes a bit boring long term repeating the previous year. A good measure is Millwall become the billionth club to join this "LETS HAVE A PROJECT" or "WE NEED AN IDENTITY" but they have no bloody money for it and it's of no shock to see them floundering.
I will say it again. When we have pots of cash lets get a project in the meantime lets just make sure we don't get relegated thinking we can play like Pep. City spent about £1.5bn, I'm not putting him down as you can waste money but if you give him the Sheff Utd job right now he wouldn't keep them up. Fair enough if he had them in the summer he could probably finish mid table but the reality is money talks.
I'm still a bit peeved at the board because despite the apparent riches that we are allegedly spending this summer they couldn't even bring a keeper in to play out from the back. I thoroughly believe if they bring in Beadle even in whats unfolded we would be safe now. It's actually laughable how many times Ruddy is all over the shop because you're asking a guy who's played one way for 30 years in juniors and professional football to suddenly reinvent himself. It's embarrassing why we proceed with this farce.
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Post by BluenoseB on Mar 19, 2024 20:27:01 GMT
Only just catching up with this and whilst as far as I'm aware there's nothing official it seems to be legit.
Have said before even before the Rowett flashing his knickers at other clubs I'd personally had enough of his one trick pony management with zero attempt to evolve us at all.
Regarding him hawking himself to a few other clubs, was annoyed at the time and for a year or so afterwards, then decided it really wasn't any worse than what most of us do when applying for other jobs and really have no axe to grind with him on that level unlike Monk.
On the plus side, clearly Mowbray isn't ready to come back anytime soon, and I did say until we hear otherwise and whilst as said not official it seems imminent, then it's good that they haven't wasted any time, he'll need as much time as possible to get in there and start worrking.
Also if there's one thing Rowett is good at it's organising a defensive shape and getting more from the sum of the parts of squads, albeit an often dreary watch. Finally as we know he's also good at getting the players to relax and let go of any baggage they might be carrying from recent results gong against them.
On the negative side, there's two main things and unfortnately they are real negatives for me, firstly as good as he is at setting up a defensive shape, his teams don't tend to score that many and arguably we've been struggling with that more in recent games than defending only conceding one goal a game for the past 4 games.
The other thing is that this squad imo is the least likely raw material for a Rowett team we've had in a decade, in fact more than that, in fact he'd have suited ANY of the other sides down there more than us. Despite many fans thinking our players aren't good enough, we have largely transitioned away from the more agricultral collective of the past ten years or so.
We've let Kevin Long go, he'd likely have been a shoe in. Juke has potentially picked up an injury that could keep him sidelined for a while. There's no Donaldson type to lead the line, no Demarai pace to hit on the counter (although I'd lke to see George Hall starting so as to offer this and Rowett may utilise that well) and wingplay such as from Mags and Cotterill we don't really have those types either.
So there's defnitely imo good and bad to consider and I'm not at all sure a 6th voice n charge this season was the way to go but if it's done it's done and got to support him. I do think he's a better manager than when he left us and has added a couple more strings to his bow and he may need them to figure out a shape and style that can get us enough points on the board. Not one to have fullbacks bombing on he wll have wingbacks doing so which is standard tbf and I wouldn't be totally shocked by a 3-5-2 which he has played from time to time, especially at Millwall.
Personally as said the other day I'd like to get Hall in the starting eleven more, pace makes teams defend differently against you.
If Juke is out then I'd even toy with trying him up front, Stansfield looks like he could do with a break from leading the line. I'm open to other suggestions but looking at the squad not sure there's many alternatives. If we had more fit defenders then maybe Aiwu, I know that's pretty left field but he has decent pace and enjoys getting forward and is fairly technical without being weak as piss, desperate times calls for creative thinking.
-------------------------------------AIWU
---------------------STANSFIELD--------------HALL/PRITCHARD
------------PAIK-------------------DOZZEL------------------JJ
BUCHANAN--------------BIELIK-------------SANDERSON-----------DRAMEH
-------------------------------------HALL
--------------------STANSFIELD--------------MIYOSHI/PRITCHARD
LAIRD--------------------PAIK------------------JJ-----------------------DRAMEH
----------BUCHANAN-------------BIELIK-------------AIWU/SANDERSON
or maybe he'll just decide we've been playing not too bad in the main, stick at 4-2-3-1 and just tweak things. Taking the emotion and partisan nature out of it I'm curious as to which way he goes, includng the emotion andd partisan nature I'm not sure if things just got better or worse, time will tell but what I would say is if he can get a tune from this particular squad given his general playing style than his managerial abiility will go up a notch or two in my estimation.
I think he would have that defensive block in front if back 4. So maybe Ruddy Laird Sanderson Aiwu Buchanen Bielek Paik/Sunjic Bacuna Prtichard Dembele/hall Stansfield
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Post by bubba on Mar 19, 2024 20:39:31 GMT
I think he would have that defensive block in front if back 4. So maybe Ruddy Laird Sanderson Aiwu Buchanen Bielek Paik/Sunjic Bacuna Prtichard Dembele/hall Stansfield
You may well be right, that certainly looks more like a Rowett side but I just don't think it improves our goalscoring. Eustace had the same problem, before his last 2 games we were scoring under a goal a game which is why I'm suggesting something a bit outside the box, he hasn't got a Donaldson or any mobile target man type, as said interesting which way he plays it.
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Post by honkybluenose on Mar 19, 2024 21:42:58 GMT
I think he would have that defensive block in front if back 4. So maybe Ruddy Laird Sanderson Aiwu Buchanen Bielek Paik/Sunjic Bacuna Prtichard Dembele/hall Stansfield
You may well be right, that certainly looks more like a Rowett side but I just don't think it improves our goalscoring. Eustace had the same problem, before his last 2 games we were scoring under a goal a game which is why I'm suggesting something a bit outside the box, he hasn't got a Donaldson or any mobile target man type, as said interesting which way he plays it.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Hogan feature- especially as Juke is likely to be out. Also Burke could reappear- he had him at Millwall- and he gives an outlet.
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Post by jazzzy786 on Mar 19, 2024 21:56:49 GMT
Did anyone find out what the record is for the most managers in a season? Rowett knows Buchanan and Bielik from Derby and Burke from Millwall and of course Juke from last time. Just because Juke is out doesn't mean he won't play with a target man I see Burke or Roberts leading the line.
Ruddy Laird Sanderson Aiwu Buchanan/Drameh Sunjic Gardner/Bacuna Stansfield/Miyoshi James/Pritchard Dembele/Longelo Roberts/Burke/Juke/Hogan
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Post by supacragg on Mar 19, 2024 22:08:42 GMT
Confirmed now that Rowett in charge for the rest of season and TM back in the summer for pre-season.
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Post by choc on Mar 19, 2024 22:39:07 GMT
Have we ever sacked a manager to then see him return at a later date
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Post by BluenoseB on Mar 19, 2024 23:01:57 GMT
Have we ever sacked a manager to then see him return at a later date Not in my lifetime, although do remember Francis resigning then returning a few days later.
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Post by gammo on Mar 19, 2024 23:09:47 GMT
Have we ever sacked a manager to then see him return at a later date Not in my lifetime, although do remember Francis resigning then returning a few days later. I think Barry Fry did it too - quit and retracted it on the same day (did it as a protest if my memory serves me correctly).
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Post by brightside on Mar 19, 2024 23:16:28 GMT
Have we ever sacked a manager to then see him return at a later date Not in my lifetime, although do remember Francis resigning then returning a few days later. Nobody has been sacked. This will be with TM agreement! given that TM is obviously not ready to return this all makes sense. Personally I would rather see GR replace him permanently but then again I think I’m in the minority as we must go tippy tappy 4231 for most on here so we get overrun in midfield. The Championship is a tough league requiring big strong players who can win the battle before playing football. At the moment we have a side of small dwarfs who loose most 50/50’s.
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Post by gammo on Mar 19, 2024 23:20:53 GMT
I've said all along that the only person who knows if Mowbray would be back was Mowbray. Clearly, the recovery, as well as it's going according to Venus, wasn't going quickly enough, so the risk of waiting to see how he felt 10 more days was just too big a risk.
Venus stepping away too makes sense. His training brain is set up to a certain style (Mowbrays) so for him to be thinking the Mowbray way but talking the Rowett way would have scrambled the poor fcukers head up 😄.
I'd happily take Rowetts points to per game ratio right now (1.49) as that would be enough to survive. Whether Mowbray comes back at all remains to be seen - I hope he does as his early teamsheets were hammering the opposition when it came to shots at goal. Don Goodman is led to believe that we've got a huge summer already lined up in terms of signings which you'd think Mowbray has already said who he wants - would love to see that pan out.
Edit - our turn (again) for a new manager bounce please lads 🤞🏻👍🏻
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