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Post by bignumbernine on Mar 19, 2024 23:40:49 GMT
Fair play to Bubba for thinking outside the box with Aiwu up front.
Personally I’d probably put Hogan in. A complete shadow of himself from first half of last season but it would help Jay out.
I honestly wouldn’t be against a good old 442 for the run-in.
Ruddy
Laird Aiwu Sanderson Buchanan
Hall Sunjic Bielik Dembele
Stansfield Hogan
Wouldn’t be against that. Let Sunjic and Bielik sit in front of the back 4 and let the wingers and forwards freedom to do whatever they want and try to counter attack. The Rowett special.
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Post by TILTON on Mar 19, 2024 23:42:30 GMT
In the 10 years since he was first appointed Rowett has become the 11th permanent manager of the club.
Putting that into context our previous 11 permanent managers take you back to 1986.
We will be catching Watford up soon!
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Post by TILTON on Mar 19, 2024 23:54:40 GMT
Lets assume a clean bill of health......
As it's away and we have to get a result I would switch it up away from 4231 to 343/3421. Rowett has largely played 343 at Millwall.
*******************************Ruddy**********************************
*****************Sanderson*****Bielik*****Aiwu************************
Laird****************Sunjic***********James*******************Buchanan
**************Dembele**************************Anderson***************
*******************************Juke***********************************
How many are away on international duty? It's possible those players will have less of a chance as he may want to play those he has worked with pre QPR.
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Post by bluescharlie on Mar 20, 2024 2:05:22 GMT
Midfield is the immediate issue for the first game. James should be back in time from Wales duty but will obviously have less time on the training ground. Bacuna usually arrives late but Curacao are based in Turkey this time so he may be back earlier. South Korea play on Thursday so the bench on the Monday is probably where he’ll return. And with Dozzell ineligible it’s very bare.
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Post by almajir on Mar 20, 2024 6:56:25 GMT
It raises questions over Tony’s recovery and let’s hope he is still on tract to return in due course. I can see the thinking behind appointing Rowett. We need someone who will make an immediate impact and tighten us up at the back. I expect us to be seeing plenty of Jukey, Gards and Sunjic in the side. Goals remain a concern but that would remain no matter who is in charge. Owners are not scared to intervene for better or worse. Here we go. Jukes injured mate but Ollie Burke played for him at Millwall. Burke is injured too
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Post by TILTON on Mar 20, 2024 7:33:02 GMT
I got a feeling Mowbray return is unlikely.
Venus being given leave leans into it as his eyes and ears, why would they give him leave just like that?
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Post by bluenoserob on Mar 20, 2024 8:01:30 GMT
Not in my lifetime, although do remember Francis resigning then returning a few days later. Nobody has been sacked. This will be with TM agreement! given that TM is obviously not ready to return this all makes sense. Personally I would rather see GR replace him permanently but then again I think I’m in the minority as we must go tippy tappy 4231 for most on here so we get overrun in midfield. The Championship is a tough league requiring big strong players who can win the battle before playing football. At the moment we have a side of small dwarfs who loose most 50/50’s. When Watford walked out of the tunnel alongside the Blues it really hit home how small a height our players are, Watford look like giants! I think this is going to be all about blocking up at the back in no uncertain manner, and hoping for a break and snatching a goal, ( what’s a goal look like!) I go Ruddy Drameh Sanderson Buchanan Laird Sunjic Aiwu Beleik Dembele Stansfield Myoshi
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Post by thesauce16 on Mar 20, 2024 8:05:23 GMT
I think Venus was unsuited to the role at this time, maybe if Mowbray had been in post longer, Venus may have had better luck, but the players were still learning his new style and fragile following Rooney debacle. Venus needed to be removed imho for him as well as us, but club want him with TM when he returns. Rowett and Venus styles would clash so makes sense to me that Venus is out. He’s not a manager, but he’s important for TM. Whether TM comes back at all is a huge question, I hope so, but he needs to do what’s right for him.
On to the question of team, I’d be looking at something like:
Ruddy
Laird Sanderson Aiwu Buchanan
Bielek Sunjic Paik/James
Stansfield Roberts (juke if fit) Dembele
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Post by royalblue on Mar 20, 2024 8:36:18 GMT
Jukes injured mate but Ollie Burke played for him at Millwall. Burke is injured too I think Rowett will have little choice, injuries notwithstanding, but to try and get a tune out of the Burke’s and Hogan’s at some point. Jukey has full time heart but now only part time legs. The other two are a different matter. At least we know that Hogan can score at this level based on his record but Burke besides being quick does not. A player I can see him featuring for his counter attacking pace, providing he stays fit of course, is Hall.
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Post by choc on Mar 20, 2024 9:22:39 GMT
Not in my lifetime, although do remember Francis resigning then returning a few days later. Nobody has been sacked. This will be with TM agreement! given that TM is obviously not ready to return this all makes sense. Personally I would rather see GR replace him permanently but then again I think I’m in the minority as we must go tippy tappy 4231 for most on here so we get overrun in midfield. The Championship is a tough league requiring big strong players who can win the battle before playing football. At the moment we have a side of small dwarfs who loose most 50/50’s. I was referring to Rowett not Mowbray
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Post by Professor Frink on Mar 20, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
I think Rowett will have little choice, injuries notwithstanding, but to try and get a tune out of the Burke’s and Hogan’s at some point. Jukey has full time heart but now only part time legs. The other two are a different matter. At least we know that Hogan can score at this level based on his record but Burke besides being quick does not. A player I can see him featuring for his counter attacking pace, providing he stays fit of course, is Hall. Hogan has 1 goal in his last 32 appearances. Can we stop pretending that he is a goalscorer at this level
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Post by royalblue on Mar 20, 2024 10:20:39 GMT
I think Rowett will have little choice, injuries notwithstanding, but to try and get a tune out of the Burke’s and Hogan’s at some point. Jukey has full time heart but now only part time legs. The other two are a different matter. At least we know that Hogan can score at this level based on his record but Burke besides being quick does not. A player I can see him featuring for his counter attacking pace, providing he stays fit of course, is Hall. Hogan has 1 goal in his last 32 appearances. Can we stop pretending that he is a goalscorer at this level I am no great fan of Scott Hogan but he was our top goal scorer with 10 goals for Blues in both the last two seasons and 7 a piece in the two seasons preceding them. He has been very poor this season but my point was not to promote him as a reliable goalscorer but to highlight that we don't have much of an alternative currently available. I suspect, like his recent predecessors, Rowett may try to get a tune out of him for that reason. If you are saying you don't have much faith in Hogan scoring many if not any for us, then I agree but has scored at this level previously.
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Post by blueshark on Mar 20, 2024 11:18:28 GMT
Why would Rowett revert to Hogan or Burke when Stansfield offers so much more and (although I suspect a bit knackered) remains fit to lead the line.
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Post by bignumbernine on Mar 20, 2024 11:36:50 GMT
Why would Rowett revert to Hogan or Burke when Stansfield offers so much more and (although I suspect a bit knackered) remains fit to lead the line. Personally I don’t think Jay can lead the line. Doesn’t have the physical presence for it. He’d be far better off playing off a more traditional forward.
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Post by Professor Frink on Mar 20, 2024 13:21:29 GMT
Id rather try dembele down the middle, than waste our time watching Hogan amble around
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Post by choc on Mar 20, 2024 14:39:04 GMT
Id rather try dembele down the middle, than waste our time watching Hogan amble around TM couldn't get anything out of Hogan so why do some think Rowett will
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Post by royalblue on Mar 20, 2024 16:11:30 GMT
Id rather try dembele down the middle, than waste our time watching Hogan amble around TM couldn't get anything out of Hogan so why do some think Rowett will I, for one, have not said he would get a tune out of Hogan, only that given the limited options at his disposal it would not surprise me to see him try. If I did not see Hogan play for us again I would have no complaints but it is not what I think, it's what Rowett thinks. We shall see what transpires. I would be surprised to see him play Dembele down the middle as he lacks physical presence which is an issue with Stansfield. For that reason I can see him playing either Tyler Roberts, Anderson or as Bubba suggests even Aiwu.
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Post by gammo on Mar 20, 2024 16:56:58 GMT
Has there been an interview shown anywhere?
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Post by bubba on Mar 20, 2024 17:25:03 GMT
Why would Rowett revert to Hogan or Burke when Stansfield offers so much more and (although I suspect a bit knackered) remains fit to lead the line. Personally I don’t think Jay can lead the line. Doesn’t have the physical presence for it. He’d be far better off playing off a more traditional forward.
I think you're both right, he's better suited than all our other strikers.
but also
He's also not ideally suited to lead the line, even by his own admission tbf.
We should have got a mobile striker with a bit of presence, even one that didn't necessarily have a great scoring record (so more gettable) just to offer us different dimension and get our other forwards playing off him. We didn't, so now we either go with Stansfield, one of the other strikers that isn't as good, or see if there's someone else in the squad that can play up there as an emergency striker/centre forward for a handful of games.
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Post by sapfo on Mar 20, 2024 17:46:09 GMT
Regarding mobile physical striker, well that is Burke ain’t it? He’s mobile & a big lad.
Gonna be interesting how he does it, but we do know it’ll be counter footy.
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Post by kennyburnstr7 on Mar 20, 2024 17:48:12 GMT
Has there been any news on Juke following his injury on Saturday? I think he might still have a role to play…🤞
Cheers and kro
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Post by bubba on Mar 20, 2024 18:00:00 GMT
Has there been any news on Juke following his injury on Saturday? I think he might still have a role to play…🤞 Cheers and kro not as far as I know, they have to wait for swelling to go down but would have thought that happened days ago now.
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Post by kennyburnstr7 on Mar 20, 2024 18:29:43 GMT
Has there been any news on Juke following his injury on Saturday? I think he might still have a role to play…🤞 Cheers and kro not as far as I know, they have to wait for swelling to go down but would have thought that happened days ago now. Thanks Bubba, hopefully no news is good news. I can imagine the conversation between Rowett and Tom Wagner We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster.🤣 Cheers and kro
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Post by bubba on Mar 20, 2024 19:41:59 GMT
Regarding mobile physical striker, well that is Burke ain’t it? He’s mobile & a big lad. Gonna be interesting how he does it, but we do know it’ll be counter footy. me and my big mouth
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Post by bignumbernine on Mar 20, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
Just wondering about Burke… has a partnership of Burke at centre forward and Stansfield playing off him been tried this season? I can’t remember to be honest.
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Post by gammo on Mar 20, 2024 20:08:24 GMT
Almajir has said he's injured - what injury does he have?
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Post by bubba on Mar 20, 2024 22:35:56 GMT
Almajir has said he's injured - what injury does he have? A severe break in his ability muscle I'm afraid, will keep him out of professional football for the rest of his natural.
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Post by TILTON on Mar 20, 2024 23:36:15 GMT
I think Rowett will have little choice, injuries notwithstanding, but to try and get a tune out of the Burke’s and Hogan’s at some point. Jukey has full time heart but now only part time legs. The other two are a different matter. At least we know that Hogan can score at this level based on his record but Burke besides being quick does not. A player I can see him featuring for his counter attacking pace, providing he stays fit of course, is Hall. Hogan has 1 goal in his last 32 appearances. Can we stop pretending that he is a goalscorer at this level Define not a goalscorer at this level? Juke's probably got 10 goals in his last 100 games for us and he's probably our 25th highest scorer of all time. Hogan scored 10 last season, yeah lets hear that he got a treble in one when the reality is the numbers are the numbers. Yeah Hogan is at the tail end but if you are a peripheral player with a constant theme of your club trying to get rid of you for a couple years due to your wage then it's hardly a culture of an environment to thrive. Sadly we ask questions about the last few years and how the players have let us down but if you spend years trying to dump them because of the wage they are on it don't take a genius to realise why their form is so poor!
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Post by Professor Frink on Mar 21, 2024 11:22:03 GMT
Hogan has 1 goal in his last 32 appearances. Can we stop pretending that he is a goalscorer at this level Define not a goalscorer at this level? Juke's probably got 10 goals in his last 100 games for us and he's probably our 25th highest scorer of all time. Hogan scored 10 last season, yeah lets hear that he got a treble in one when the reality is the numbers are the numbers. Yeah Hogan is at the tail end but if you are a peripheral player with a constant theme of your club trying to get rid of you for a couple years due to your wage then it's hardly a culture of an environment to thrive. Sadly we ask questions about the last few years and how the players have let us down but if you spend years trying to dump them because of the wage they are on it don't take a genius to realise why their form is so poor! Juke has never been a 'goalscorer'. Hes a target man type forward. he plays a very specific role in this team, in that he is an aerial presence, is strong and you can play balls up and into him to get other players off him. back in his pomp if you could get a 1 in 3 return from him that would have been excellent. Now hes a 20 min impact sub at best Hogan on the other hand doesnt have any real attributes. hes not quick, his control is poor, hes physically weak, and he doesnt really close down intelligently (like stansfield does). What he did have going was in his peak years he had little purple patches where he could get a 5-6 goals over a patch of games. However those days are long gone and we need to move on from someone like him who when in the team offers so little.
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Post by choc on Mar 21, 2024 11:55:38 GMT
Define not a goalscorer at this level? Juke's probably got 10 goals in his last 100 games for us and he's probably our 25th highest scorer of all time. Hogan scored 10 last season, yeah lets hear that he got a treble in one when the reality is the numbers are the numbers. Yeah Hogan is at the tail end but if you are a peripheral player with a constant theme of your club trying to get rid of you for a couple years due to your wage then it's hardly a culture of an environment to thrive. Sadly we ask questions about the last few years and how the players have let us down but if you spend years trying to dump them because of the wage they are on it don't take a genius to realise why their form is so poor! Juke has never been a 'goalscorer'. Hes a target man type forward. he plays a very specific role in this team, in that he is an aerial presence, is strong and you can play balls up and into him to get other players off him. back in his pomp if you could get a 1 in 3 return from him that would have been excellent. Now hes a 20 min impact sub at best Hogan on the other hand doesnt have any real attributes. hes not quick, his control is poor, hes physically weak, and he doesnt really close down intelligently (like stansfield does). What he did have going was in his peak years he had little purple patches where he could get a 5-6 goals over a patch of games. However those days are long gone and we need to move on from someone like him who when in the team offers so little. Also add to that, he just isn't interested and now just taking the money.
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