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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 20:25:02 GMT
Nope, this kind of shit is never ok, and only ever ends the same way. This thread will be exactly the same Yep, same old xenophobia (I'm being kind) from the same old folk.
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Sept 5, 2019 20:25:51 GMT
Given the wretched incoherent incompetent leadership of Johnson since he took office (not that you weren’t warned), it encapsulates the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the posturing Brexiters... no amount of tenuous whataboutery, flag waving can paranoia can hide the gaping hole in its heart... By the way... what do you think will happen after a No Deal crash out... the British will spend the next few years trying to get back what they already have... At least Bubba has finally admitted he has leaders he looks up to... well chosen Bubba! Still trying to pigeon-hole me, still failing. Just because you're unable to escape a supposed and imposed political dichotomy, doesn't mean we're all doomed to be so handicapped.
I want Brexit, unlike remainers in Parliament I don't hide my agenda by claiming I want a deal when they really want to overturn the vote entirely.
I think it's appalling that it seems the country's best hopes for that end are the two figures you reckon I look up to. We play the hand we're dealt but once their purpose is served I'd gladly throw them on the bonfire with the rest.
I'm wasting my time explaining this to you though, for some unfathomable reason you've got it into your head that I'm some raging right wing fascist even though I've stated multiple times I'm largely apolitical, have never voted in a general election and think both the system and most politicians on all sides are corrupt and exist solely to serve themselves and their paymasters, not the people they purportedly represent.
It seems to your way of thinking my yearning for Brexit is evidence enough of the political leanings you ascribe to me, as though somehow you have determined that centrist and left-wingers could never want Brexit, which is very very strange and quite wrong.
At last somebody has mentioned what I've been saying for months!!!
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Post by BillyNoMatesformerlyTheMadFrog on Sept 5, 2019 20:28:03 GMT
Germany call the shots on anything in Europe and if you think otherwise you are very wrong. Merkel's plays Macron like a puppet.
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Post by bubba on Sept 5, 2019 20:28:24 GMT
Bubbs... You are a Kipper .. just get over it... Wanting Brexit and claiming to be apolitical is just a contradiction..... to be frank.. hypocrisy.. By the way... Tories like Hammond, Stewart and others voted for a deal... it is Johnson and Farage who are baying for “No Deal” .. although they spent most of the Referendum campaign assuring people that a deal was easy and we would remain in the European Single Market... they are just bullshitters, and if you support Brexit you are just been played... suckers dancing to the tune tune of Putin, Murdoch and Trump.. Also., being boringly serious, based on the Governments own figures, food inflation will be about 10% directly due to Brexit and WTO tariffs are significant for for many things Billy Beer: What Party do you support?
Bubba: None they're all chunts
Billy Beer: Oh you're a Tory/UKIPper
Yeah ok, woteva.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 5, 2019 20:28:27 GMT
Slightly left of centre voted leave want to honour referendum but would now rather remain than leave with no deal.i am not on my own either.have to say there are loads of things I feel more strongly about,nhsincreasing gap between rich and poor.tories have spent most of last 3 years ignoring everything other than trying to keep party together,they are responsible for this mess.dont like Corbyn at all,detest Boris no opinion on Swinson.can we get back to talking about pep this is even more depressing. Me too... by a process of elimination I am left with the Lib Dem’s... but they don’t have much traction in my constituency or the West Miidlands... I l8e some MPs for their integrity and professionalism from all sides of the House.. and could have stomached some sort of Brexit that didn’t impinge on the economy or human rights.. or break up the Union.. but that has proved that the Brexiters are not really intersected in making things better... so best stick with the best deal we can get... the one we already have...
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Post by sapfo on Sept 5, 2019 20:29:48 GMT
Given the wretched incoherent incompetent leadership of Johnson since he took office (not that you weren’t warned), it encapsulates the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the posturing Brexiters... no amount of tenuous whataboutery, flag waving can paranoia can hide the gaping hole in its heart... By the way... what do you think will happen after a No Deal crash out... the British will spend the next few years trying to get back what they already have... At least Bubba has finally admitted he has leaders he looks up to... well chosen Bubba! The EU are fecked without us. Why would we need to beg them? They cannot afford to lose UK business. Germany goes down under a 'No Deal'. None of us want this, but we need to hang them over the edge to get the best deal for us now. Is this the 'Remoaners' way of 'staying in' all but name only?
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Post by bluenoserob on Sept 5, 2019 20:29:52 GMT
Not sure what i think to be honest. Corbyn doesn't sing reign over us and blow smoke up royal hoop and Boris dances to Mr Blue Sky at the Olympics. I'll go Corbyn. When's the vote? You will vote for a anti Semitic Communist who backs terrorists? Whilst you are entitled to your opinion I find it beyond belief that you would vote for a leader just because he’s Labour. The Labour Party has much to be proud of. If they got David Miliband back this time as leader they would almost certainly sweep home as victors in an election. But Corbyn,? How could you? Read your history books concerning the persecution of Jews in the 30s and 40s. And yet only 70 years later they are still being persecuted by the present Labour Party with Corbyn doing nothing to stop it. And you would vote for that?
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Post by billybeer on Sept 5, 2019 20:33:46 GMT
Woteva Bubba?
lost for words... that’s a first!
You revile them all? Is this the same person who posted EARLIER IN THE SAME EFFING THREAD that Farage and Johnson were Jedi Warriors!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 20:35:29 GMT
Slightly left of centre voted leave want to honour referendum but would now rather remain than leave with no deal.i am not on my own either.have to say there are loads of things I feel more strongly about,nhsincreasing gap between rich and poor.tories have spent most of last 3 years ignoring everything other than trying to keep party together,they are responsible for this mess.dont like Corbyn at all,detest Boris no opinion on Swinson.can we get back to talking about pep this is even more depressing. Me too... by a process of elimination I am left with the Lib Dem’s... but they don’t have much traction in my constituency or the West Miidlands... I l8e some MPs for their integrity and professionalism from all sides of the House.. and could have stomached some sort of Brexit that didn’t impinge on the economy or human rights.. or break up the Union.. but that has proved that the Brexiters are not really intersected in making things better... so best stick with the best deal we can get... the one we already have...
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Post by bubba on Sept 5, 2019 20:46:38 GMT
Woteva Bubba? lost for words... that’s a first! You revile them all? Is this the same person who posted EARLIER IN THE SAME EFFING THREAD that Farage and Johnson were Jedi Warriors! JAYSUS
It was tongue in cheek
There's a difference between lost for words and just not being bothered to convince you of something you're determined to refuse to accept, so yeah woteva, believe what you want, I'll just have to learn to live with the disappontment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 20:52:29 GMT
I don't do political discussions on the internet, it's a pointless waste of my finger cartilage, but what I will say is that all sides in parliment have disgraced themselves over the last couple of years, no one has given a fig about the people they represent and the fact we have Johnson and Corbyn leading our two main parties is a national disgrace. And yet we sneered at the US electing Trump.
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Post by bubba on Sept 5, 2019 20:54:43 GMT
I don't do political discussions on the internet, it's a pointless waste of my finger cartilage, but what I will say is that all sides in parliment have disgraced themselves over the last couple of years, no one has given a fig about the people they represent and the fact we have Johnson and Corbyn leading our two main parties is a national disgrace. And yet we sneered at the US electing Trump. Yeah that
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Post by billybeer on Sept 5, 2019 20:59:27 GMT
Woteva Bubba? lost for words... that’s a first! You revile them all? Is this the same person who posted EARLIER IN THE SAME EFFING THREAD that Farage and Johnson were Jedi Warriors! JAYSUS
It was tongue in cheek
There's a difference between lost for words and just not being bothered to convince you of something you're determined to refuse to accept, so yeah woteva, believe what you want, I'll just have to learn to live with the disappontment.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 5, 2019 21:05:49 GMT
It’s not about your feelings ... I am pointing out the logical contradiction between expressing rather strong political views and then claiming to be apolitical... it’s a way of evading responsibility
And also you have previously expressed support for Johnson because he promised to deliver Brexit
Still Your views seem to be quite mild compared to one or two of the xenophobes on here... but they are views
Anyway I enjoy your football stuff... that’s why we are here....
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Post by monkeyman on Sept 5, 2019 21:21:35 GMT
I don't do political discussions on the internet, it's a pointless waste of my finger cartilage, but what I will say is that all sides in parliment have disgraced themselves over the last couple of years, no one has given a fig about the people they represent and the fact we have Johnson and Corbyn leading our two main parties is a national disgrace. And yet we sneered at the US electing Trump. Another yeah that
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Post by bubba on Sept 5, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
My entire reasoning for wanting Brexit is sovreignty, pure and simple, it requires no political identity simply that we the British people decide who runs us. Imperfect as our system is, it is still infinitely preferable to being subject to unelected foreign agents, that are neither accountable to us nor ever under threat of removal from office by us. By several definitions the EU relationship with the citizens of Europe is one of owners to slaves. If fighting against that identifies me as political by your definition then so be it.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 5, 2019 22:11:55 GMT
I have to admit that is not really that political... it’s just weird
So we are slaves eh. Owned by European Masters?.... yes... that’s why we have freedom of movement?... and elect MEPs... not really like slavery really is it?
not to say that most power resides in the European council of which we have a veto ..
A bit disappointed.. I thought at least you would go about some esoteric gumph about th3 money supply or something...
Anyway good night
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 23:02:31 GMT
I have to admit that is not really that political... it’s just weird So we are slaves eh. Owned by European Masters?.... yes... that’s why we have freedom of movement?... and elect MEPs... not really like slavery really is it? not to say that most power resides in the European council of which we have a veto .. A bit disappointed.. I thought at least you would go about some esoteric gumph about th3 money supply or something... Anyway good night Bloody hell you’ve appeared after 3 years. I still think the same as I did 3 years ago. And I respect your right to believe what you thought 3 years ago. After all, all we have is free speech. I disagree with your view but respect it and cherish the fact we can disagree. I want parliament to work with the government to achieve the outcome of the referendum but what we have is an opposition wanting to frustrate the government based on the threat of deselection by a momentum movement which draws uncanny parallels with Hitler Youth in 1930s Germany. As a centrist former labour voter this anti Semitic radical left wing takeover of the Labour Party is a genuine threat to democracy. Things have happened in the last 3 years that make me think where we used to have debate now we have baseless name calling and suppression of freedom of speech. The globalists are in charge now resurrecting a failed ideology to control the people. I fear for the future of humanity as it lurches into an Orwellian nightmare.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 6:21:01 GMT
Selly...
Apart from blaming the opposition for failing to deliver Brexit (and Corbyn and MCDonnell and their cronies are Brexiters...it has been the current members of the Government that have blocked Brexit... they could easily have settled for a Norway style solution or Mays Deal and there would have been something for all sides...
Otherwise I agree with your sentiments, if not your conclusion ... the fundamentals haven’t changed...
I am a Blues fan. I view this site most days...don’t post much because I don’t know much about Football.. I just want Blues to win every week...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 6:22:37 GMT
I think we have all ranted enough can this be locked now and we can have a mini international prediction competition?
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Post by expatjohn on Sept 6, 2019 8:32:24 GMT
Whilst it's still topical, I'll let it run for today. After that, yes, close it up seems a reasonable idea.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 9:04:27 GMT
I have to admit that is not really that political... it’s just weird So we are slaves eh. Owned by European Masters?.... yes... that’s why we have freedom of movement?... and elect MEPs... not really like slavery really is it? not to say that most power resides in the European council of which we have a veto .. A bit disappointed.. I thought at least you would go about some esoteric gumph about th3 money supply or something... Anyway good night Well you've managed to craft your reply by ignoring the fundamental points I made, well done.
The European Commission is unelected
Did Brits ever see Juncker's name on a ballot?
Ursula von der Leyen has just been crowned the new EU Commission's President after being the only contender, very democratic
However that is just as much slanting the truth in favour of my argument as you have done for yours
THIS ISN'T
As a sovereign nation all MP's are elected by British nationals to serve them in Parliament
As a single member of a supra-national empire British nationals elect a tiny fraction of MEP's to the European Parliament, the vast majority of that Parliament is made up of MEP's not elected by British nationals and as such Britain is legally at the mercy of the whims of foreign agents, a more clear and cut case of deliberate treason it is hard to imagine.
You say we have a veto in the European Council, well whoopee doo.
The 2007 Lisbon Treaty saw more than 40 policy areas removed from the right to veto, but Britain has NEVER had a right to veto all European Law.
Increasingly the majority vote is being used in Brussels to pass laws, laws that are created by the unelected European Commission, equals no veto.
Just this year the EU is now proposing scrapping individal member states right to veto on tax policy which could see levies applied.
The 19 Eurozone members have and will always outvote us as they share a common currency and economic policy.
and don't get me started on the money supply.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 9:32:53 GMT
Spot on bubba and one day eurozone and currency will become compulsory and so will national governments be squashed and when that vote comes around we won’t be able to stop it.
We also have 19 years worth of unaudited accounts!!!
My view on Europe will always be that political class are a law unto themselves they get fat wages but still have expenses too!!
Why they can’t just set a salary and says expenses included escapes me. With money comes greed and corruption and if these people we trust were A) hell bent on avoiding referendum for so long B) hell bent on telling us a leave vote is a disaster C) hell bent on preventing us leaving
Then my view is if these people are so detached from 75% of the population you have to think is this to keep them rich.
Even now big business and big corporations largely want to stay too because when you are rich change is risky.
If you have nothing to lose and not well off why would you fear change.
This is why most people voted out NOT IMMIGRANTS it’s more a belief if I ain’t well off and living from month to month won’t change much. Reality is brexit won’t affect the vast majority of us.
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Post by expatjohn on Sept 6, 2019 9:46:24 GMT
A European army? Multi national conscription?
It could never happen, could it?
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 9:53:00 GMT
I was never particularly bothered about immigration, swings and roundabouts and we'll still have immigrants even out of the EU, what I would say is, and I don't care how politically incorrect it is, any criminal migrants should be dealt with even more severely than domestic ones. I don't care whether they come from Romania, Somalia or Canada, any individuals coming here for the sole purpose of criminal enterprises should be severely dealt with that sends a message out across the world, the punishment is not worth the risk. We'll always have crime, but we could do without importing foreign criminals too.
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Post by bringbackstanding on Sept 6, 2019 11:49:44 GMT
Jo Swinson leader of the liberal democratic party has said she would not respect the outcome of another referendum if leave won again. Time to change the name to liberal undemocrats .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 11:50:08 GMT
Yeah it makes me laugh people talking up immigration when we still have them from the whole world over. It’s also funny the left talk up the lack of immigration and conveniently forget that I’d we need a sudden influx we still have the rest of the world to choose from lol
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Post by leather on Sept 6, 2019 12:07:05 GMT
In my opinion immigration is a major issue. The infrastructure simply cannot cope with it.
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Post by almajir on Sept 6, 2019 12:28:33 GMT
I've given up on talking politics, because I feel it's pointless.
The only thing I would add to this thread is that I'm trying to organise "Almajexit", whereby I get out of the UK to somewhere a bit better and leaving the rest of you to enjoy the mess that is being created.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 12:42:00 GMT
It all really should boil down to one simple truth.
If the sitting UK government does something that the majority of the public strongly disagrees with, then they can vote them out of office and keep them out of office if they seriously pish people off, indefinitely.
If the EU Parliament similarly does something that the majority of the UK public strongly disagrees with, all we can do is send exactly the same minority number of MEP's to Brussels, essentially it would make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE, you have lost your right to self-determination, your vote becomes meaningless. Just being able to vote for MEP's is not a demonstration of your freedom of choice and democracy, it has to actually have the chance to make a difference if enough of you feel the same way. Under the EU dictatorship we could get the entire UK population in agreement and it will not make a single bit of difference if foreigners have a different veiwpoint, our vote will count for nothing and with ever increasing and fully admitted closer integration, plus qualified majority voting, that is increasingly becoming the norm, not the exception.
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