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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 17:34:04 GMT
Sorry but you have to be careful as certain publications could say the sky is up and some people won't believe it. Some carried the same stories but would have been instantly dismissed as tainted sources (which of course they all are but I at least don't pick and choose the good ones and the bad ones because they say something I agree or disagree with) This so called newspaper has run 3 articles on my wife this year. All factually incorrect and littered with untruths. Colour me shocked...not
The saying don't believe everything you read is, imo as far as the media are concerned, a little on the optmistic side.
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 17:35:38 GMT
This so called newspaper has run 3 articles on my wife this year. All factually incorrect and littered with untruths. Colour me shocked...not
The saying don't believe everything you read is, imo as far as the media are concerned, a little on the optmistic side.
That was my point. Don’t believe everything you read.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 17:38:01 GMT
Since a firm called Uber came and obliterated my living, which I must say, I didn’t hear any dissenters other than EPJ, I’ve had to take another job. For the last 3 years I’ve been working as an immigration officer. Obviously I can’t say too much but if only you did know the truth on our border. I can tell you that no politician has ever told the truth on what’s happening and as an ‘ expert ‘ none of the so-called do gooders know or want to know what’s happening. You can sit at your Guardian dinner parties spouting about how great everything is but take it from someone who DOES know, you haven’t got a clue!! Rant over. Don’t normally get involved in this but I like how everyone’s an expert. But Uber are an American company, nothing to do with the EU ... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UberI sympathise. I lost my career directly because of Michael Gove and earn hundreds of pounds a month less than before (and it was less than a teachers... or a Cabbies... salary)... As regards immigration... I have interviewed hundreds of immigrants... including people who were smuggled in on lorries with corpses. refugees, children, and there is blame all round... including everyone who uses takeaways and car washes, resrurants etc.. people smugglers, the Conservative Party (Theresa May), the Labour Party... you are never going. To get honesty from politicians from either perspective of country or immigrants... i think The best you can be with immigrants is to be fair and humane... but if you have anything other than open borders (which No Country has) then you are going to have to refuse entry and enforce law... to do otherwise is a moral hazard... all you ask for is for a system to be consistent, fair and consistent The stuff I can’t stand are the politicians conflating asylum seekers, refugees, and economic migrants, both legal and illegal... pits Hard stuff to get around... should you give asylum to gay people for instance? And if you do, that will both encourage others and also encourage further repression in their own country... What about Chinese asylum seekers from Hong Kong? have dealt with many children sent from abroad to live with ‘uncle’ for example, who find they have no rights when they are 18, although they have no links in their home country... difficult stuff i am no
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 17:40:02 GMT
What do you mean by British drivers? Well, drivers who are British. Drivers who hold a British passport. Drivers who were born in Britain. What do YOU mean by British Drivers? If you have the right to work and you live in Britain in the context of work you are a British Driver.. doesn’t matter what your passport says... context... if a Tourist came to U.K. and took a Taxi, he would describe the person as a British Driver...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 17:43:12 GMT
If you’re born in Britain it doesn’t make you British. I think that law was repealed in 1982 but I’m not sure could be 81. In my experience most Uber drivers I have dealt with are on British Travel documents. What’s your experience of it in Teignmouth? Getting a taxi in Teignmouth is more difficult than getting one in Brum, which is saying something, but it has nothing to do with the nationality of the drivers. I realise that you’re hoping I’m going to infer something from your evasive reply to your question, so I’ll swerve that by asking what nationalities these Uber drivers are, and why you think that your definition of British drivers are not employed by them.
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 17:44:18 GMT
Well, drivers who are British. Drivers who hold a British passport. Drivers who were born in Britain. What do YOU mean by British Drivers? If you have the right to work and you live in Britain in the context of work you are a British Driver.. doesn’t matter what your passport says... context... if a Tourist came to U.K. and took a Taxi, he would describe the person as a British Driver... Will you mentioned British drivers not me and technically you are wrong. You have to have a British passport or have been involved in the citizen ceremony. Now your experiences in Teignmouth?
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 17:48:00 GMT
If you have the right to work and you live in Britain in the context of work you are a British Driver.. doesn’t matter what your passport says... context... if a Tourist came to U.K. and took a Taxi, he would describe the person as a British Driver... Will you mentioned British drivers not me and technically you are wrong. You have to have a British passport or have been involved in the citizen ceremony. Now your experiences in Teignmouth? I didn’t know that... I was just making general point about right to work...
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 17:50:56 GMT
Billy, I don’t want a row. I’m making the point that you need to know about something to fully understand it. I also used to act as a duty solicitor and have represented numerous asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. The system is broke and it needs fixing. Is Brexit the answer! I don’t know . Will sorry I replied to Billy by mistake.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 18:06:14 GMT
Billy, I don’t want a row. I’m making the point that you need to know about something to fully understand it. I also used to act as a duty solicitor and have represented numerous asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. The system is broke and it needs fixing. Is Brexit the answer! I don’t know . Will sorry I replied to Billy by mistake. I think we are agreed on this.... would never row with you Blueinblack.... you are knowledgable and obviously care about people, even if enforcing the law...you know more than most...the system is broke and it needs fixing.. I think .Brexit is marginal in this area... although non EU immigration was put into the referendum (which coincided with the height of the Syrian refugee crisis... and Theresa May’s “Go Back” vans were a disgrace... and of course EU citizens have free movement (although the Tory And Labour Governments didn’t fully enforce EU regulations about settlement... because it helped the economy...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:08:13 GMT
If you have the right to work and you live in Britain in the context of work you are a British Driver.. doesn’t matter what your passport says... context... if a Tourist came to U.K. and took a Taxi, he would describe the person as a British Driver... Will you mentioned British drivers not me and technically you are wrong. You have to have a British passport or have been involved in the citizen ceremony. Now your experiences in Teignmouth? You said that the drivers weren’t New Yorkers. This is a thread about the EU. You said the arrival of Uber cost you your job. I asked you if that was because they refused to employ you because you were British. You muddied the waters by insisting on a definition of British drivers. I gave you one. You said I was wrong, but have so far failed to furnish me with an alternative, despite me asking you more than once to do so. In conclusion, you blamed the EU for Uber and you losing your job, but unless you answer my question regarding the definition of a British driver, I fail to see why leaving the EU should improve your job prospects. As regards Teignmouth, as I’ve said already, it’s a fcuking nightmare getting a taxi here since one of the two main companies decided on a whim to close down at the end of May. You’ll be thinking they gave up because Uber suddenly appeared, but no - Uber do not operate here. I wish they did, because on a Saturday in Summer if you ring up the one remaining taxi firm in the town after noon to book a taxi for the evening, you’ll be fcuking lucky. Oh, and I’ve never asked for proof of the nationality of the drivers - I know one of them was French a couple of years back because she told me she was, but I believe she got dumped along with the other white, Devonian drivers when the taxi firm closed in May. So I’ve answered your question, but I bet you won’t answer mine. Just to remind you, the question was “What is your definition of a British driver?” I won’t hold my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:17:35 GMT
Uber have been a revelation for me.
No more phone calls to have untold lies about the car is nearly here....NOW I CAN SEE THEM!!
Prices in Birmingham are slowly being pushed down because of Uber. I live in spitting distance of Edgbaston cricket ground and have done for 11 years, before Uber on a Saturday night I would be quoted £15 to £20 at the back end of the night. I now pay £4.25!!!
Recently the dodgy ones haggling on the street now ask for about £10 to £12 as my mates sometimes get one when I have gone home early off my face.
Even now if there is something about the journey I don't like I can complain the next day and lots of times get refunds!!
Now you have rivals like Ola too.
Essentially the big thing the regulators like about it is surrendered earnings so less tax dodging too.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 18:20:11 GMT
Will This was a thread about Elections no EU.. it got turned into that.. and do you really have Guardian Dinner Parties? If so, can I come?
(I have never been to a dinner party in my life )
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Post by sapfo on Sept 6, 2019 18:22:51 GMT
If you’re born in Britain it doesn’t make you British. I think that law was repealed in 1982 but I’m not sure could be 81. In my experience most Uber drivers I have dealt with are on British Travel documents. What’s your experience of it in Teignmouth? What did you do may I ask?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:23:27 GMT
Will This was a thread about Elections no EU.. it got turned into that.. and do you really have Guardian Dinner Parties? If so, can I come? (I have never been to a dinner party in my life ) Well you say that, but I know Froggie better than you - I challenged him to get a mega thread going and he came up with the goods, because he knew full well this would turn into an EU bashing exercise.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 18:29:22 GMT
Yes fair play romes, you broke your cherry.
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Post by expatjohn on Sept 6, 2019 18:34:30 GMT
Will, brexiters do not have an exclusive use of the bullshit platform.
No one knows for absolute certainty how things will evolve once we are free of the EU. My guess is, given a few years, you folk will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
I shall probably be pushing up the daisies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:48:06 GMT
Guardian dinner parties ffs would not be surprised to see Jacob Rees Mogg in the tilton next match based on some of the posts.its More like a daily mail dogging session
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 18:52:30 GMT
Guardian dinner parties ffs would not be surprised to see Jacob Rees Mogg in the tilton next match based on some of the posts.its More like a daily mail dogging session “Some of the posts are More like a Daily Mail Dogging session” zulwokrier... I bow down before your genius!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
I maintain the view that we have tried EU for a generation or more and whilst it has been good it's for me a bit like Sully & Gold, great to start with then the establishment got greedy and ruined it.
The majority of the doom spreading of why we should stay does not hold any fear for me because I thoroughly believe this country is a very strong nation built on the british way, we have recovered from world wars and so on.
Whilst a member of the EU we have seen countrless recessions, seriously high unemployment, 16% mortgage rates, deflation, austerity, social housing problems and plenty of stock market crashes.
Fact is these can happen when a lot of it is driven by global knock ons so it's not much that you can control.
To be honest if various idiots in the poltical class hadn't have refused for nearly a decade for us to vote on it we wouldn't have voted out, you can't lecture the electorate promise votes and then tell them they are too stupid to vite and expect them to then listen to you saying it's bad if we leave.
So that mass build up and years of poor spending on public services etc leads people to deduce that by being in Europe we have to wait 5 hours in A&E blah blah blah. People will always use simple maths and think that £500bn a year for various services would go a lot mre further to support 50m than 60m people. Believe me there are working class that think that way!
All in all my view is I only know it this way and I have lost jobs for recession, I have had unemployment in spirts but there were a couple times when I was living on baked spuds and noodles all week to make sure when my kids came round I could afford to feed them properly. So it's easy to see why you can think maybe a change won't hurt. Only rich people fear change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:55:20 GMT
Will, brexiters do not have an exclusive use of the bullshit platform. No one knows for absolute certainty how things will evolve once we are free of the EU. My guess is, given a few years, you folk will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. I shall probably be pushing up the daisies. Oh well, let’s cross our fingers and hope for the best, eh? Personally I voted for the future of our country, in particular my kids. So when I go to my grave I was hoping they’d be OK. Fat chance.
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Post by quark on Sept 6, 2019 18:57:34 GMT
I don't do political discussions on the internet, it's a pointless waste of my finger cartilage, but what I will say is that all sides in parliment have disgraced themselves over the last couple of years, no one has given a fig about the people they represent and the fact we have Johnson and Corbyn leading our two main parties is a national disgrace. And yet we sneered at the US electing Trump. I have friends in the USA. I used to have fun at their expense over the idiots the elect. i am meeting them next year, I think humble pie will be on the menu
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Post by quark on Sept 6, 2019 19:03:17 GMT
Oh and I voted remain but I do get fed up with remoaners calling my friends who voted leave thick racists They’re not
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 19:08:17 GMT
Oh and I voted remain but I do get fed up with remoaners calling my friends who voted leave thick racists They’re not I don’t think that..people have been duped... and Country and Flag has been misused by cynical chancers . but people arguing for Brexit need to be challenged to at least put a coherent set of arguments ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 19:19:19 GMT
Wonder how many leave voters would now rather have another referendum than no deal which is where I am basically.people are allowed to change their view as reality plays out on their tv screens.i know plenty.understand leavers getting annoyed at remainers asking for a rerun but think there are plenty leavers who are against no deal and that’s a different thing entirely imo.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 19:37:34 GMT
Oh and I voted remain but I do get fed up with remoaners calling my friends who voted leave thick racists They’re not I don’t think that..people have been duped... and Country and Flag has been misused by cynical chancers . but people arguing for Brexit need to be challenged to at least put a coherent set of arguments ... So you can ignore them and make stuff up.
Even when you're trying to be appear to be reasonable saying you don't think leavers are thick racists you qualify it by saying they've been duped (because they're not as smart as you) the arrogance is astonishing and you don't even notice you're doing it.
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Post by quark on Sept 6, 2019 19:58:49 GMT
I don’t think that..people have been duped... and Country and Flag has been misused by cynical chancers . but people arguing for Brexit need to be challenged to at least put a coherent set of arguments ... So you can ignore them and make stuff up.
Even when you're trying to be appear to be reasonable saying you don't think leavers are thick racists you qualify it by saying they've been duped (because they're not as smart as you) the arrogance is astonishing and you don't even notice you're doing it.
Yep if you want a reason to leave how about the EU have never produced a set of accounts to show where the money goes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:03:41 GMT
In the interests of fairness bubba do you think you have never posted anything that may just be a tad arrogant?
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 20:08:33 GMT
In the interests of fairness bubba do you think you have never posted anything that may just be a tad arrogant? Of course I bloody have, I've got over 3000 posts, but it's hardly habitual and I don't try lording it over others with my proclaimed superior intellect based on their leanings in any topic of conversation, there is a bit of a difference.
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 20:11:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:21:17 GMT
Ok that’s honest as usual but the problem is when people feel strongly about something it goes into that territory at times,that’s how I felt about some of your posts on pep tbh.
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