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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 20:21:49 GMT
Will you mentioned British drivers not me and technically you are wrong. You have to have a British passport or have been involved in the citizen ceremony. Now your experiences in Teignmouth? You said that the drivers weren’t New Yorkers. This is a thread about the EU. You said the arrival of Uber cost you your job. I asked you if that was because they refused to employ you because you were British. You muddied the waters by insisting on a definition of British drivers. I gave you one. You said I was wrong, but have so far failed to furnish me with an alternative, despite me asking you more than once to do so. In conclusion, you blamed the EU for Uber and you losing your job, but unless you answer my question regarding the definition of a British driver, I fail to see why leaving the EU should improve your job prospects. As regards Teignmouth, as I’ve said already, it’s a fcuking nightmare getting a taxi here since one of the two main companies decided on a whim to close down at the end of May. You’ll be thinking they gave up because Uber suddenly appeared, but no - Uber do not operate here. I wish they did, because on a Saturday in Summer if you ring up the one remaining taxi firm in the town after noon to book a taxi for the evening, you’ll be fcuking lucky. Oh, and I’ve never asked for proof of the nationality of the drivers - I know one of them was French a couple of years back because she told me she was, but I believe she got dumped along with the other white, Devonian drivers when the taxi firm closed in May. So I’ve answered your question, but I bet you won’t answer mine. Just to remind you, the question was “What is your definition of a British driver?” I won’t hold my breath. I didn’t say they weren’t New Yorkers., I actually asked you if they were. I trained for 3 years to become a black cab driver, a professional cab driver who knows the streets, roads and Lanes of London. I have an enhanced DBS check, medical and eyesight test costing nearly £600 every 3 years. This has all been taken over by a firm that is registered as a technology company in the UK and pays little tax back into the country. Their business model is to employ mainly immigrants, who are poorly educated but are willing to work long hours for a pittance. This is because these people are desperate to work but mini cab driving is a low skilled job that requires a rented car and a satnav. Their DBS checks aren’t carried out because most of them have no long term history in the country. The only way that these drivers exist is by claiming benefits. So you have this billion dollar company exploiting vulnerable people whilst the British tax payer props their business model up and they pay little or no corporation tax. Uber is an exploiting these people as much as any gang masters in the UK but no one cares. Oh dear, what have I said? Have I told the truth? We don’t want to hear any truths do we? Is there such a thing as being too politically correct? You know, I’ll turn into Mary Mary quite contrary!!!
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 20:24:59 GMT
I don’t think that..people have been duped... and Country and Flag has been misused by cynical chancers . but people arguing for Brexit need to be challenged to at least put a coherent set of arguments ... So you can ignore them and make stuff up.
Even when you're trying to be appear to be reasonable saying you don't think leavers are thick racists you qualify it by saying they've been duped (because they're not as smart as you) the arrogance is astonishing and you don't even notice you're doing it.
It’s not arrogant to say that the Leave Campaigns Lied shamelessly ... £350 million a week for the NHS and millions of Turks poised to flood into U.K.... You didn’t believe that did you? DID YOU? Lots of people did.. I remember reading the Sun and The Mailjust before the election... everything was going to be easy... of course we would stay in the Single Market.. we could be just like Norway... Be Patriotic! Vote Leave. They were liars and conmen. Of course people are patriotic... We were sold a bag of shit... as the expression goes... Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me Twice, shame on me... that’s why they are so afraid of a People’s Vote to ratify a deal... you are calling me arrogant ... I don’t give a toss... these are the plain facts i d
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:26:49 GMT
It was only ever going to end like this
It’s always someone else’s fault.
We’ve got the fcuking leader of vote leave as prime minister and the most brexity cabinet you could ever dream of and yet still they can’t deliver a solution.
A coherent government would have taken the parameters they had to work with, then have made a decision around the type of brexit we wanted then went and delivered it. Instead we’ve had the tories piss arsing about with it for 3 years
This is their mess yet they still refuse to own it
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 20:27:52 GMT
By the way to be a British driver you need a British passport or have been through the citizenship ceremony, otherwise you ain’t British.....yet
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:32:55 GMT
Exactly they are the government they have had 3 years to get out and yet have spent that time pussy footing around the various factions within their party in other words putting party before country totally the opposite of what I thought conservatives stood for,now it’s the oppositions fault.to be fair labour are a shambles also but the tories have to take the can for this however the press try to spin it.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
Ok that’s honest as usual but the problem is when people feel strongly about something it goes into that territory at times,that’s how I felt about some of your posts on pep tbh. Hmm, not sure I accept there was any arrogance there particularly, strong feelings and opinions yes, but arrogance? No don't see that. I do feel sometmes some people will equate anybody expressing strong opinions on any subject as being arrogant, which is not the case, being arrogant is being arrogant. I do think it's sometimes used as a label incorrectly. It's possible I'm not recalling something specific that you are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:47:55 GMT
In firmly believe we get the politicians we deserve
How many people truly understand what their MP actually does? How many people understand what the various candidates believe in or promise to deliver?
I would say very very few-myself included- have taken little time to consider that and vote purely on who the leader is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:48:12 GMT
I might add the 350m has already been delivered and we ain’t left yet.
It may well have been an over exaggeration but hey project fear contained countless lies and the weak pound is the only victory.
Even the IMF and Bank of England climbed down hugely on their doom.
The only thing that’s the country right now is the no end in sight scenario has pushed the country into this catatonic state and it’s being held their by parliament who are blocking it. Boris May be pulling some tricks but it’s on both sides. Bercow is an evil remain supporter and he has allowed parliament to seize control twice when he is supposed to be impartial!!
It isn’t helped by people like Gina miller sticking her oar in. Totally not shocked the legal action has not succeeded today. Makes me laugh that major was supporting it, more hypocritical shit considering he prorogued parliament himself.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 21:01:42 GMT
It’s not arrogant to say that the Leave Campaigns Lied shamelessly ... £350 million a week for the NHS and millions of Turks poised to flood into U.K.... You didn’t believe that did you? DID YOU? Lots of people did.. I remember reading the Sun and The Mailjust before the election... everything was going to be easy... of course we would stay in the Single Market.. we could be just like Norway... Be Patriotic! Vote Leave. They were liars and conmen. Of course people are patriotic... We were sold a bag of shit... as the expression goes... Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me Twice, shame on me... that’s why they are so afraid of a People’s Vote to ratify a deal... you are calling me arrogant ... I don’t give a toss... these are the plain facts i d I agree the leave campaign lied shamelessly, it would be intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise, exactly the same as the remain project fear campaign lied shamelessly and it would be intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise.
However all the words, the mud slinging, the we're smart and you're dumb, the good guys and the bad guys (lol) the he said, she said all only serves the remain campaign imo, as said before, there's only one issue that should really matter to anyone.
Can the British people vote out a British government that it doesn't agree with come election time? Answer yes Can the British people vote out a European government that it doesn't agree with come election time? Answer no
It really is that simple, everything else is window dressing and distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 21:30:57 GMT
Ok that’s honest as usual but the problem is when people feel strongly about something it goes into that territory at times,that’s how I felt about some of your posts on pep tbh. Hmm, not sure I accept there was any arrogance there particularly, strong feelings and opinions yes, but arrogance? No don't see that. I do feel sometmes some people will equate anybody expressing strong opinions on any subject as being arrogant, which is not the case, being arrogant is being arrogant. I do think it's sometimes used as a label incorrectly. It's possible I'm not recalling something specific that you are. Not one post in particular but I personally find it arrogant when posters ridicule and almost suggest they could do a better job than someone who is a professional coach and actually had a career in football.I think I am best qualified to say how I feel about something and label it accordingly.that’s all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 21:33:12 GMT
You said that the drivers weren’t New Yorkers. This is a thread about the EU. You said the arrival of Uber cost you your job. I asked you if that was because they refused to employ you because you were British. You muddied the waters by insisting on a definition of British drivers. I gave you one. You said I was wrong, but have so far failed to furnish me with an alternative, despite me asking you more than once to do so. In conclusion, you blamed the EU for Uber and you losing your job, but unless you answer my question regarding the definition of a British driver, I fail to see why leaving the EU should improve your job prospects. As regards Teignmouth, as I’ve said already, it’s a fcuking nightmare getting a taxi here since one of the two main companies decided on a whim to close down at the end of May. You’ll be thinking they gave up because Uber suddenly appeared, but no - Uber do not operate here. I wish they did, because on a Saturday in Summer if you ring up the one remaining taxi firm in the town after noon to book a taxi for the evening, you’ll be fcuking lucky. Oh, and I’ve never asked for proof of the nationality of the drivers - I know one of them was French a couple of years back because she told me she was, but I believe she got dumped along with the other white, Devonian drivers when the taxi firm closed in May. So I’ve answered your question, but I bet you won’t answer mine. Just to remind you, the question was “What is your definition of a British driver?” I won’t hold my breath. I didn’t say they weren’t New Yorkers., I actually asked you if they were. I trained for 3 years to become a black cab driver, a professional cab driver who knows the streets, roads and Lanes of London. I have an enhanced DBS check, medical and eyesight test costing nearly £600 every 3 years. This has all been taken over by a firm that is registered as a technology company in the UK and pays little tax back into the country. Their business model is to employ mainly immigrants, who are poorly educated but are willing to work long hours for a pittance. This is because these people are desperate to work but mini cab driving is a low skilled job that requires a rented car and a satnav. Their DBS checks aren’t carried out because most of them have no long term history in the country. The only way that these drivers exist is by claiming benefits. So you have this billion dollar company exploiting vulnerable people whilst the British tax payer props their business model up and they pay little or no corporation tax. Uber is an exploiting these people as much as any gang masters in the UK but no one cares. Oh dear, what have I said? Have I told the truth? We don’t want to hear any truths do we? Is there such a thing as being too politically correct? You know, I’ll turn into Mary Mary quite contrary!!! Yes, and how exactly is leaving the EU going to stop this from happening?
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Post by quark on Sept 6, 2019 21:35:04 GMT
That is a set of graphs not accounts
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Post by billybeer on Sept 6, 2019 21:44:36 GMT
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
Hmm, not sure I accept there was any arrogance there particularly, strong feelings and opinions yes, but arrogance? No don't see that. I do feel sometmes some people will equate anybody expressing strong opinions on any subject as being arrogant, which is not the case, being arrogant is being arrogant. I do think it's sometimes used as a label incorrectly. It's possible I'm not recalling something specific that you are. Not one post in particular but I personally find it arrogant when posters ridicule and almost suggest they could do a better job than someone who is a professional coach and actually had a career in football.I think I am best qualified to say how I feel about something and label it accordingly.that’s all. OK, but just a thought, if the same post or posts you found arrogant were found by another hundred people to be just an opinion without arrogance, would that post or posts still be arrogant, or would they have just aroused a feeling in you that I was being arrogant?
You are best qualified to say how someone else's posts make you feel, I agree, but that may well mean by most people's understanding you're labelling incorrectly, I maintain being arrogant is being arrogant. However it is quite possible for anyone to post something that you perceive as arrogant where most people would not, remember simply expressing strong opinions does not equate to arrogance.
Aside from that though, remember this is actually a blues forum for giving our opinions, it would be pretty dull if we all abided by your reasoning that as Clotet is a pro we have no business questionng him or his abilities. You use the term 'almost suggest' which of course is to say that I never actually suggested it at all, but the argument that I'm arrogant works better by introducing that notion. Again this is more about how you feel, and less about what has actually been posted by myself, no offence taken.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:04:16 GMT
I might add the 350m has already been delivered and we ain’t left yet. It may well have been an over exaggeration but hey project fear contained countless lies and the weak pound is the only victory. Even the IMF and Bank of England climbed down hugely on their doom. The only thing that’s the country right now is the no end in sight scenario has pushed the country into this catatonic state and it’s being held their by parliament who are blocking it. Boris May be pulling some tricks but it’s on both sides. Bercow is an evil remain supporter and he has allowed parliament to seize control twice when he is supposed to be impartial!! It isn’t helped by people like Gina miller sticking her oar in. Totally not shocked the legal action has not succeeded today. Makes me laugh that major was supporting it, more hypocritical shit considering he prorogued parliament himself. Has the £350m been delivered though? Where?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:07:46 GMT
Not one post in particular but I personally find it arrogant when posters ridicule and almost suggest they could do a better job than someone who is a professional coach and actually had a career in football.I think I am best qualified to say how I feel about something and label it accordingly.that’s all. OK, but just a thought, if the same post or posts you found arrogant were found by another hundred people to be just an opinion without arrogance, would that post or posts still be arrogant, or would they have just aroused a feeling in you that I was being arrogant?
You are best qualified to say how someone else's posts make you feel, I agree, but that may well mean by most people's understanding you're labelling incorrectly, I maintain being arrogant is being arrogant. However it is quite possible for anyone to post something that you perceive as arrogant where most people would not, remember simply expressing strong opinions does not equate to arrogance.
Aside from that though, remember this is actually a blues forum for giving our opinions, it would be pretty dull if we all abided by your reasoning that as Clotet is a pro we have no business questionng him or his abilities. You use the term 'almost suggest' which of course is to say that I never actually suggested it at all, but the argument that I'm arrogant works better by introducing that notion. Again this is more about how you feel, and less about what has actually been posted by myself, no offence taken.
Well it is a Blues forum, and yet every international break we have this sort of nonsense where folk get offended by other folks’ opinions. People are encouraged to spout their xenophobic/racist crap and those of us who don’t like that are accused of being arrogant. Perhaps sticking to the original rules 24/7 365/365 would save people from showing their darker side and stop snowflakes like myself being terribly offended. Of course, it won’t stop the country in general, and this forum in particular, from being such unpleasant places, but there you go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:10:34 GMT
I do not think pep is up to it either and have no issue with any opinion so long as it has some level of respect..like it or not he’s our temporary permanent caretaker.not looking for a fight but thought your response to billy beer condensing the whole 3 year Brexit shambles down to one single issue was very arrogant......
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 6, 2019 22:26:13 GMT
I didn’t say they weren’t New Yorkers., I actually asked you if they were. I trained for 3 years to become a black cab driver, a professional cab driver who knows the streets, roads and Lanes of London. I have an enhanced DBS check, medical and eyesight test costing nearly £600 every 3 years. This has all been taken over by a firm that is registered as a technology company in the UK and pays little tax back into the country. Their business model is to employ mainly immigrants, who are poorly educated but are willing to work long hours for a pittance. This is because these people are desperate to work but mini cab driving is a low skilled job that requires a rented car and a satnav. Their DBS checks aren’t carried out because most of them have no long term history in the country. The only way that these drivers exist is by claiming benefits. So you have this billion dollar company exploiting vulnerable people whilst the British tax payer props their business model up and they pay little or no corporation tax. Uber is an exploiting these people as much as any gang masters in the UK but no one cares. Oh dear, what have I said? Have I told the truth? We don’t want to hear any truths do we? Is there such a thing as being too politically correct? You know, I’ll turn into Mary Mary quite contrary!!! Yes, and how exactly is leaving the EU going to stop this from happening? I must admit Will I thought for a clever chap you could have a debate but clearly not.....oh well!! If you can show me where I said leaving the EU can stop it happening then show me. Leaving the EU will stop nothing immigration wise. Like I said to Billy, the system is broke and like the NHS, the Police and schools no one cares. Last one out turn out the lights!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:28:18 GMT
Yes, and how exactly is leaving the EU going to stop this from happening? I must admit Will I thought for a clever chap you could have a debate but clearly not.....oh well!! If you can show me where I said leaving the EU can stop it happening then show me. Leaving the EU will stop nothing immigration wise. Like I said to Billy, the system is broke and like the NHS, the Police and schools no one cares. Last one out turn out the lights! Well wtf are you doing arguing on this thread, apart from wasting your time and mine?
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 22:30:23 GMT
I do not think pep is up to it either and have no issue with any opinion so long as it has some level of respect..like it or not he’s our temporary permanent caretaker.not looking for a fight but thought your response to billy beer condensing the whole 3 year Brexit shambles down to one single issue was very arrogant...... Zulu, I think at this point we can both just accept you find me arrogant, and I find your comprehension of the word questionable.
I respect your right to your opinion that some level of respect should be shown to Clotet, but I have neither to agree with that opinion nor abide by it, such is the right of free speech we are afforded by law and is practised on this forum, even where some people may take offence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:40:13 GMT
I was actually joking on the last post.I do not find you arrogant generally I really don’t and like the fact we can have a debate without it getting offensive.still think pep is a hostage and was hoping monk would pay the ransom.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 22:44:32 GMT
People are encouraged to spout their xenophobic/racist crap and those of us who don’t like that are accused of being arrogant. Well I don't like that but stand accused of being arrogant for entirely different reasons, as far as I can tell for not being respectful of Clotet and condensing an argument down to it's most base and pertinent factor (yes me condensing, who'd a thunk it) At the same time, as far as I can tell nobody has actually been accused of being arrogant for the reason you specifically highlight here, apart from that though, spot on.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 22:51:54 GMT
I was actually joking on the last post.I do not find you arrogant generally I really don’t and like the fact we can have a debate without it getting offensive.still think pep is a hostage and was hoping monk would pay the ransom. Cheers I don't find me arrogant either, generally speaking of course.
Pep a hostage you say? Well I wish someone would have said before, I could have killed two birds with one stone, paying the ransom and breaking a fiver for some parking change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 23:03:03 GMT
You know what I meant don’t think he is loving it and was hoping he would go when monk got a job.agree it’s looking highly unlikely so over to ren I guess.
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Post by bubba on Sept 6, 2019 23:22:14 GMT
You know what I meant don’t think he is loving it and was hoping he would go when monk got a job.agree it’s looking highly unlikely so over to ren I guess. Yes, but couldn't resist.
I know you've said this before, you could be right, but this must be his 5th or 6th managerial job, surely he'd know by now whether or not he enjoyed being a manager and wouldn't take on the role if he didn't?
Although you could be right if for example he did want to be a manager but feels he's been given an impossible task (recruitment shortcomings) and that unrealistic expectations from his bosses. To be clear not sayng I'd 100% agree with that, but if he feels that way then you could be right in hm not exactly enjoying the job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 5:21:44 GMT
Both campaigns were full of lies,not just the leavers. Remember project fear from Cameron ? He even got Obama in to try and frighten us into remaining. The Bank of England keep changing their minds,atm it's "Things won't be as bad as we thought if we leave without a deal"FFS,make up your fcuking minds and give us as clearer view as you can.I voted to stay,only because neither side put up a convincing argument.The country voted to leave,because of that,if we did have a second referendum,i would vote leave.The Lib Dems and Labour MP's should be ashamed of themselves. Corbyn should remember,a lot of Labour voters,especially oop North,voted to leave.Ken Mccluskey also knows that the majority of his members voted leave,and we all know the influence the unions have on the labour party.
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Post by bluenoserob on Sept 7, 2019 6:03:10 GMT
So you can ignore them and make stuff up.
Even when you're trying to be appear to be reasonable saying you don't think leavers are thick racists you qualify it by saying they've been duped (because they're not as smart as you) the arrogance is astonishing and you don't even notice you're doing it.
It’s not arrogant to say that the Leave Campaigns Lied shamelessly ... £350 million a week for the NHS and millions of Turks poised to flood into U.K.... You didn’t believe that did you? DID YOU? Lots of people did.. I remember reading the Sun and The Mailjust before the election... everything was going to be easy... of course we would stay in the Single Market.. we could be just like Norway... Be Patriotic! Vote Leave. They were liars and conmen. Of course people are patriotic... We were sold a bag of shit... as the expression goes... Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me Twice, shame on me... that’s why they are so afraid of a People’s Vote to ratify a deal... you are calling me arrogant ... I don’t give a toss... these are the plain facts i d Well millions of Turks must have flooded into the UK And every single one of them has opened a barber shop. There’s more Turkish barbershops in Sutton than there are Indian Restaurants.
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Post by blueinblack on Sept 7, 2019 7:08:32 GMT
I must admit Will I thought for a clever chap you could have a debate but clearly not.....oh well!! If you can show me where I said leaving the EU can stop it happening then show me. Leaving the EU will stop nothing immigration wise. Like I said to Billy, the system is broke and like the NHS, the Police and schools no one cares. Last one out turn out the lights! Well wtf are you doing arguing on this thread, apart from wasting your time and mine? 😂
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Post by billybeer on Sept 7, 2019 8:16:59 GMT
It’s not arrogant to say that the Leave Campaigns Lied shamelessly ... £350 million a week for the NHS and millions of Turks poised to flood into U.K.... You didn’t believe that did you? DID YOU? Lots of people did.. I remember reading the Sun and The Mailjust before the election... everything was going to be easy... of course we would stay in the Single Market.. we could be just like Norway... Be Patriotic! Vote Leave. They were liars and conmen. Of course people are patriotic... We were sold a bag of shit... as the expression goes... Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me Twice, shame on me... that’s why they are so afraid of a People’s Vote to ratify a deal... you are calling me arrogant ... I don’t give a toss... these are the plain facts i d Well millions of Turks must have flooded into the UK And every single one of them has opened a barber shop. There’s more Turkish barbershops in Sutton than there are Indian Restaurants. A lot of the Turks seem to be Kurds... I don’t mind... Brum could do with more shops selling Feta and olives! just to say though, that Turkey is not in the EU and is unlikely to ever be so because it won’t meet entry criteria... and if U.K. was in EU we could veto entry anyway... their immigration is less to do with EU than the West’s intervention in Iraq andPutin and Assad’s destruction of Syria... but that’s another topic regarding immigration in general, the system is broken (or damaged), as BlueanBlack saysand that is more to do with the incompetence of Tory Politicians, who have been running the Home Office for a decade. What the Government did not also tell you is that The EU allowed restrictions on settlement but U.K. chose not to implement because we needed more workers to boost the economy... the EU has been a scapegoat for the failings of our national politicians... this is the last post I’m putting on here... got work to do... I can’t let go Bubbas assertion that British People can’t vote out the European Parliament... of course they can’t... but people in Europe as a whole can... the EU Parliament is a different type of institution..as the Eu has a written constitution with checks and balances... National Parties control their Party lists... and they ally with like minded groups from around Europe... so every vote does have influence... you can write to your MEP to lobby etc...debates are recorded and publicly available... it’s not perfect, nothing is... perhaps it’s not the way we like it... but it is a system... and the tangible benefits we gain in economic activity, freedom of movement, and political and legal protections are far more important than an obtuse system that seeks to balance and check other parts... at the moment, if you want to sell widgets into Spain , you can go to the EU and influence regulations and quality.. out of the EU you will be at best not able to have a say in rules, and at worst be excluded because you don’t meet criteria or have to pay high tariffs... ithe European Single Market was Margaret Thatchers greatest legacy and i am amazed that the Right Wing Tories don’t celebrate that... of course we can spend years and shitloads of money negotiating to get back what we already have, and maybe it one or two instances, Britain can achieve a “victory” by increasing the permitted fat content of Pork Pies or something... but an ‘independent’ U.K. will just be swopping a senior partnership with the EU for junior vassalship with Trumps USA... That’s all folks. thats it really, unless someone says something particularly idiotic... sorry for being arrogant by expressing realities...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 8:25:39 GMT
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