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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 25, 2021 21:12:30 GMT
D. I don't know why you think that I find it reasonable to get the death figures up. I found the media daily obsession with death figures irritable and pointless doing it every news bulletin. The figures I think you will agree were not accurate in the early days of reporting. I think they are more accurate now. E. Without the vaccine we would be in deep shit now regarding deaths and the NHS. Only today on local news the hospitals are saying that most people on intensive care units are the unvaccinated. No vaccine is a cure, a vaccine is a type of medicine that trains the body’s immune system so that it can fight a disease it has not come into contact with before. Vaccines are designed to prevent disease, rather than treat a disease once you have caught it. F. You are correct but no other vaccine has ever had so much money and world wide cooperation in it's development ever. Our government has made mistakes and Boris admitted it but show me a government that hasn't made mistakes. Us arm chair experts can sit back and say we would have done things differently but 99.9% of that would be hindsight and it wasn't us that had to make the decisions on any given day. I would have shut borders much faster but what do I know what effect that would have had on the country. I'm just the classic arm chair expert.😁 ? You do know I was talking to '68.
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Post by bubba on Nov 25, 2021 21:19:51 GMT
Increasingly I'm getting a vibe that the general public are just sick of it all, want to get back to normal and want those choosing not to have the vax or even raising concerns to just stfu. They don't want to hear genuine counter arguments from medical professionals, they don't care that a massive covid information censorship has taken place on a global scale with tech giants being the arbiters of truth, they don't care.
Journalists banding together sick of covid censorship by their own employers, ie big media.
Accuse big media of promoting fear mongering and a line of only one scientific truth and any dissenting voices are silenced or deplatformed. Scientific truth without challenge is doctrine, not scientific truth.
From their inside media positions they have routinely observed a distorted view of the truth and scientific research pushed as the official narrative by editors and owners of big media.
Dr Bhattacharya of Stanford School of Medicine with more PHD's than you can shake a stick at along with eminent epidemologists from Harvard and Oxford Universities came together to produce The Great Barrington Declaration, which basically stated in their scientific opinions that shutting down the economies of nations once a pandemic is already known to be spread by a few per cent is already too late and a waste of time, the virus will go all around the country (and world) all shutting the country down does is slow the spread but in turn produces an enormous catalogue of alternative negative effects, poverty, skipping other medical care, mental health etc.
That people over a ceertain age it as absolute right to try and isolate and offer the vaccine as they were most at risk with a significantly higher risk of death than the general population. Otherwise everybody else (bar vulnerable due to other health conditions) should carry on as usual. They were backed by hundreds of other emininent professionals in their fields and other medical fields. There's more if you care to find out.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 25, 2021 21:27:47 GMT
One thing of note today - especially relevant for people holding this sort of view point- is the Tories Policing bill. Absolutely scandalous they are trying to criminalise the right to protest.
Agreed
Me too, obviously. The net tightens. They are pushing for more internet censorship too. Labour on board with that. As a side note, apparently they are going to make the army leaner, and more productive, as reported on TV, today. I don't think the soldiers will be getting an iron man suit. If my boss effectively said 'we're reducing the work force, yet we'll get more work done', I'd be worried. So, they want to shrink an already depleted army (and going by their adverts, are not looking to recruit tough, working class men).
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 25, 2021 21:56:15 GMT
I'll have to watch those videos, tomorrow. Of the general public, these are my observations. With some, they believe getting the jab is important, almost to the point of 'yes I know he's dead, but just think how much worse it would have been, if he wasn't double dosed' Still, generally they seem to go about their business, totally unconcerned about the virus. (Too much so, maybe). In supermarkets, for example. Some think it's all complete bollocks.
The Tory boys I know, can see no fault in Boris. They will happily agree that the way death figures are counted, is bullshit, then start quoting them minutes later. The generational Labour voters I know, feel Boris is making a pigs ear of proceedings. I don't know any out and out commies, but my impression from those I read on line is, with the smart ones, they are pretty chuffed by how things are being handled. Expanding the role of the state, is just nuts to them. In real life, I only know one person who thinks exactly like me on the matter. Another one of my cousins. The gay one.
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Post by choc on Nov 25, 2021 22:41:06 GMT
D. I don't know why you think that I find it reasonable to get the death figures up. I found the media daily obsession with death figures irritable and pointless doing it every news bulletin. The figures I think you will agree were not accurate in the early days of reporting. I think they are more accurate now. E. Without the vaccine we would be in deep shit now regarding deaths and the NHS. Only today on local news the hospitals are saying that most people on intensive care units are the unvaccinated. No vaccine is a cure, a vaccine is a type of medicine that trains the body’s immune system so that it can fight a disease it has not come into contact with before. Vaccines are designed to prevent disease, rather than treat a disease once you have caught it. F. You are correct but no other vaccine has ever had so much money and world wide cooperation in it's development ever. Our government has made mistakes and Boris admitted it but show me a government that hasn't made mistakes. Us arm chair experts can sit back and say we would have done things differently but 99.9% of that would be hindsight and it wasn't us that had to make the decisions on any given day. I would have shut borders much faster but what do I know what effect that would have had on the country. I'm just the classic arm chair expert.😁 ? You do know I was talking to '68. Strange cause it looks like you were quoting and talking to me🤔🤔
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Post by choc on Nov 25, 2021 22:52:23 GMT
There has been doctors on TV stating they wont have the jab and as far as I am aware no one has been sacked As you quoted me, as in 'yourself', I thought you did. If you didn't then fair enough. 1. No 2. No 3. No 4. Not aware of this story 5. I stated before that doctors were signing death certificates stating Covid when they didn't inspect the body. This was going on in old peoples homes. But early on they were doing the reverse when they thought people were dying of a strange new flu The evidence is clear that the vaccine has been working across the world. They certainly aren't being told they may be getting a placebo Please point me to this story as I seem to have missed it👍 It has been cleared for emergency use only. That's understandable as it was and still is an emergency The only people with immunity, are the drug companies, from prosecution or liability. Who would you prosecute if you could and needed to? It was discussed in the House of Commons that some people are getting a placebo. What does that tell you? As above In your view, if someone is working in a care home (just that for now), and has to choose unemployment or the jab. Poverty or the jab. Do you consider this to be non-mandatory ? If I didn't want it then I would leave and get another job like I have done all my working life when not happy If someone say, enjoys going to a night club, or foreign holidays, but is not allowed without a jab, Despite being perfectly healthy, despite the jab not stopping infection or spread, do you not see this as dictatorship ?
No I see it as the rules/laws and that is the right of any country, not just ours, to make its own laws, or directives if you are an EU country😉, and I certainly felt a lot more confident getting on a plane having had the vaccine Sweet Jesus, this took some finding. In case you missed it, on top of page 3: "OK. I didn't mean anything I said as a personal attack on will, or anyone else. I was trying to sum up the findings, as i saw them Having thought about it, I don't think this was wise I apologise to will, and anyone else who took offence" I'd also like you to know I wouldn't spentd so much time trying to find (below), for just anyone. See what you think, have I got this right ? www.zahawi.com/parliament/ministerial-statement-covid-19-update-0Scroll down for transcript, it's after Dr Rupa's question, to help you find it. 'Her constituents can rest assured that those who are in clinical trials, including the Novavax trial, will have their data on the NHS covid app as being fully vaccinated, whether they are receiving the placebo or the vaccine, across all trials. That is happening. I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them, because I am assured that the system already recognises that' The Guardian kindly provides subtitles. Better to watch this. Skip to 49:30 These people were on clinical trials not joe blogs who's gone to his local GP or vaccination centre. When you volunteer to be on a clinical trial you are told you could receive a placebo. That's why students took part and still do at Birmingham university because they get paid to do such things. It's standard practice. So don't get your point regarding placebos
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 7:12:53 GMT
A. Good Please be aware there were at least 3 Labour MP attending large funeral & weddings, and Kinnock's son attending a party. I'm not going to look that up. B. Then protect the vulnerable people. Don't close the economy down. As for the economic migrants, just because that would have happened anyway, doesn't mean it should. They shouldn't be let in, and especially not now. C. Different police authorities, same period of of time. Lockdown. D. I'll take that as you find it perfectly reasonable to get the death figures up, regardless of the fact the deceased was perfectly healthy, just prior to getting killed E. I am not convinced the jab is helping. It may be. We've had members here who have been terribly ill after a double jab. I also know the jab can do harm. What definitely does harm, is putting all other conditions on the back burner, unemployment, depression and alcohol abuse F. I understand a vaccine (one that works), takes on average 9 years to develop & test. We can't know the effects 2 or more years from now. Probably one of the reasons the drug companies can't be sued. OK. It's a thread about compulsory vaccinations, and implications of same. I get the impression, you're fairly happy with the government's handling of the virus, in general. I’m satisfied with the governments handling? Lmao it’s been horrific at pretty much every level The only thing I think we should be immensely proud of is the way scientists,and the health sector have responded
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 13:28:33 GMT
? You do know I was talking to '68. Strange cause it looks like you were quoting and talking to me🤔🤔 Nope, definitely '68. The one to you, was the next one, below
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 13:32:47 GMT
Sweet Jesus, this took some finding. In case you missed it, on top of page 3: "OK. I didn't mean anything I said as a personal attack on will, or anyone else. I was trying to sum up the findings, as i saw them Having thought about it, I don't think this was wise I apologise to will, and anyone else who took offence" I'd also like you to know I wouldn't spentd so much time trying to find (below), for just anyone. See what you think, have I got this right ? www.zahawi.com/parliament/ministerial-statement-covid-19-update-0Scroll down for transcript, it's after Dr Rupa's question, to help you find it. 'Her constituents can rest assured that those who are in clinical trials, including the Novavax trial, will have their data on the NHS covid app as being fully vaccinated, whether they are receiving the placebo or the vaccine, across all trials. That is happening. I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them, because I am assured that the system already recognises that' The Guardian kindly provides subtitles. Better to watch this. Skip to 49:30 These people were on clinical trials not joe blogs who's gone to his local GP or vaccination centre. When you volunteer to be on a clinical trial you are told you could receive a placebo. That's why students took part and still do at Birmingham university because they get paid to do such things. It's standard practice. So don't get your point regarding placebos Could be, I hope so. I didn't find it clear. What is clear, which I'd guessed anyway, the drugs are still in the trials stage. Probably why they have for emergency use only approval, and why the drug compiles insisted on exemption from any liability.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 13:57:51 GMT
Increasingly I'm getting a vibe that the general public are just sick of it all, want to get back to normal and want those choosing not to have the vax or even raising concerns to just stfu. They don't want to hear genuine counter arguments from medical professionals, they don't care that a massive covid information censorship has taken place on a global scale with tech giants being the arbiters of truth, they don't care.
Journalists banding together sick of covid censorship by their own employers, ie big media.
Accuse big media of promoting fear mongering and a line of only one scientific truth and any dissenting voices are silenced or deplatformed. Scientific truth without challenge is doctrine, not scientific truth.
From their inside media positions they have routinely observed a distorted view of the truth and scientific research pushed as the official narrative by editors and owners of big media.
Dr Bhattacharya of Stanford School of Medicine with more PHD's than you can shake a stick at along with eminent epidemologists from Harvard and Oxford Universities came together to produce The Great Barrington Declaration, which basically stated in their scientific opinions that shutting down the economies of nations once a pandemic is already known to be spread by a few per cent is already too late and a waste of time, the virus will go all around the country (and world) all shutting the country down does is slow the spread but in turn produces an enormous catalogue of alternative negative effects, poverty, skipping other medical care, mental health etc.
That people over a ceertain age it as absolute right to try and isolate and offer the vaccine as they were most at risk with a significantly higher risk of death than the general population. Otherwise everybody else (bar vulnerable due to other health conditions) should carry on as usual. They were backed by hundreds of other emininent professionals in their fields and other medical fields. There's more if you care to find out.
Russell Brand. Come on leaps & bounds, hasn't he. Yep, I think that was a pretty clear presentation, and he's far better at communicating than I am, that's for sure. He really does seem to value getting to the truth, and therefore understands the importance of asking questions, and the dangers of censorship. I think he was sailing close to the edge at times, if he wants to keep his youtube channel. Susan will not be impressed. It definitely won't help his TV career, or has he already been binned. Russell Brand. Spokesperson for free speech & liberty. I don't know how he manages to look so cheerful.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 14:36:57 GMT
Increasingly I'm getting a vibe that the general public are just sick of it all, want to get back to normal and want those choosing not to have the vax or even raising concerns to just stfu. They don't want to hear genuine counter arguments from medical professionals, they don't care that a massive covid information censorship has taken place on a global scale with tech giants being the arbiters of truth, they don't care.
Journalists banding together sick of covid censorship by their own employers, ie big media.
Accuse big media of promoting fear mongering and a line of only one scientific truth and any dissenting voices are silenced or deplatformed. Scientific truth without challenge is doctrine, not scientific truth.
From their inside media positions they have routinely observed a distorted view of the truth and scientific research pushed as the official narrative by editors and owners of big media.
Dr Bhattacharya of Stanford School of Medicine with more PHD's than you can shake a stick at along with eminent epidemologists from Harvard and Oxford Universities came together to produce The Great Barrington Declaration, which basically stated in their scientific opinions that shutting down the economies of nations once a pandemic is already known to be spread by a few per cent is already too late and a waste of time, the virus will go all around the country (and world) all shutting the country down does is slow the spread but in turn produces an enormous catalogue of alternative negative effects, poverty, skipping other medical care, mental health etc.
That people over a ceertain age it as absolute right to try and isolate and offer the vaccine as they were most at risk with a significantly higher risk of death than the general population. Otherwise everybody else (bar vulnerable due to other health conditions) should carry on as usual. They were backed by hundreds of other emininent professionals in their fields and other medical fields. There's more if you care to find out.
Dr Jay Bhattacharja My God. Was this on TV ? I'm a quarter of an hour in. So he's claiming pretty much what I suspected. If you're in decent health, and under 70, this covid is (words to the effect of) not much different than a bad flu. He at 53 (looks older) has a 99.8% chance of recovery. The lockdowns however, have been devastating (no shit). If he's right, jabbing kids is criminal. Like I mentioned yesterday. I feel that consciously or not, most of the general public realise this, without scientific knowledge. They don't need to wait 6 months to get someone buried. They don't see people collapsing all over the place*. They walk around supermarkets, mix in public places, much as they had before this situation. They don't act like they might catch their death, despite the constant warnings. My guess is, consciously or not, they know if they were not bombarded with propaganda 24 hours a day, they wouldn't notice the virus at all. The attitude seems to have gone too far, in a lot of cases. I think they should try to remember to sterilise their hands - with the correct product. Kills 99.99% of bacteria, is great for bacteria, not viruses. Keep the old and vulnerable looked after and away from any infection, as in, if you feel ill, stay away. If you are ill, isolate. If you see someone coughing their guts up, keep well clear. All pretty much as you should regardless of this virus. * That said, does anyone else keep coming across reports of athletes keeling over, like that Denmark player, lately ?
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Post by bubba on Nov 26, 2021 16:02:34 GMT
Sheff Utd player John Fleck collapsed the other day, don't know what that was about.
Dr Jay and his colleagues are supremely qualified experts in the field of epidemiology and as said have had hundreds of international peers support their claims. I understand why the general public are sceptical and mostly chose to get jabbed, they were only allowd one narrative, any dissention even from reputable and even reknowned professionals, experts in relevant fields was silenced or ridiculed by layman like Matt Hancock talking bollocks.
Personally I think all those people are due compensation but that's me.
A huge overplaying of the threat to none vulnerable people to create fear? Check
A media driven frenzy of the scarcity of vaccines to drive demand? Check
Governments yet again awarding themselves more temporary powers that'll likely never be given up? Check
Big Pharma and the elites who own their shares making billions? Check
Creating more division between ordinary people making them hate on each other and not look at the real big picture? Check
Wuhan lab emailing Dr Fauci to thank him for his co-operation? Check
Massive transfer of wealth to the rich excessive even by modern standards during worldwide lockdowns? Check
Media censorship to keep the one narrative pushed despite that going against scientific enquiry? Check
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 16:20:55 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff
Th fact people quote the GBD- ["While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 780,000 members of the public signed the declaration, this list – which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist" – contains numerous clearly-fake names, including "Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Bananas", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings"." ]- says alot about the credibility of that piece of work
however having seen
- a colleague who was in his 50s die from COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - A family friend who is 35, in perfect health spend 9 months in ICU as a result of COVID - my former teacher wo was under 60 to die of COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - My wifes grandmother who was 95 contract it and pass away - Our goalkeeper and former manager- both under 60 spend time in ICU as a result of COVID
is enough of a real life sample for me to think this is a novel virus that has caused genuine high risk to humans and needs to be treated seriously
Maybe i will be proved to be wrong however.
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Post by bubba on Nov 26, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
I literally don't know anyone who's had serious complications nevermind been in an I.C.U or died, but if I did it honestly wouldn't change my view in any case, especially as I wouldn't claim to know their health status unless pretty damn closely related and even then not necessarily.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 18:11:55 GMT
My sister had it before the jabs came out. She is still suffering now,especially with brain fog.She was close to death at one stage.
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Post by bubba on Nov 26, 2021 18:28:59 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff
Gotta love this, yeah I kinda get it...but no y'alls feckin crazy man.
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that media and tech companies have been conspiring to censor any dissenting voices from the official narrative?
BN68: Hmm, sound like tin foil hat happy hour to me
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that eminent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford are going against the political narrative of selective scentific opinion?
BN68: nutballs, what d'ya expect when people question things ffs
But bn68 they're expert epidemiologists
BN68: THEN WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ON TV? YOU AINT TAKING ME TO CRAZY TOWN NOW GET.
Sorry for being facetious, but you're a fairly level headed, even minded, not dumb guy and if that's YOUR reaction, what chance for the average Joe (or Jolene) to weigh both sides?
Have said it a thousand times, people are so easily controlled.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 19:03:54 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff Th fact people quote the GBD- ["While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 780,000 members of the public signed the declaration, this list – which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist" – contains numerous clearly-fake names, including "Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Bananas", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings"." ]- says alot about the credibility of that piece of work however having seen - a colleague who was in his 50s die from COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - A family friend who is 35, in perfect health spend 9 months in ICU as a result of COVID - my former teacher wo was under 60 to die of COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - My wifes grandmother who was 95 contract it and pass away - Our goalkeeper and former manager- both under 60 spend time in ICU as a result of COVID is enough of a real life sample for me to think this is a novel virus that has caused genuine high risk to humans and needs to be treated seriously Maybe i will be proved to be wrong however. Blimey. I don't know anyone who's succumbed to this, or know anyone who does know someone. But actual, personal experience is the most reliable information. If I'd have had your luck, I'd most likely be more concerned. Though I wouldn't count a 95 year old.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 19:07:02 GMT
My sister had it before the jabs came out. She is still suffering now,especially with brain fog.She was close to death at one stage. Hmm. That is bad, and I'm sorry to hear it. Flu doesn't do that. How old is she ?
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 19:14:29 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff
Gotta love this, yeah I kinda get it...but no y'alls feckin crazy man.
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that media and tech companies have been conspiring to censor any dissenting voices from the official narrative?
BN68: Hmm, sound like tin foil hat happy hour to me
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that eminent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford are going against the political narrative of selective scentific opinion?
BN68: nutballs, what d'ya expect when people question things ffs
But bn68 they're expert epidemiologists
BN68: THEN WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ON TV? YOU AINT TAKING ME TO CRAZY TOWN NOW GET.
Sorry for being facetious, but you're a fairly level headed, even minded, not dumb guy and if that's YOUR reaction, what chance for the average Joe (or Jolene) to weigh both sides?
Have said it a thousand times, people are so easily controlled.
Funny. I think the things which get me the most are: Politicians telling us how deadly it would be to not follow their instructions, then not follow them, themselves. Politicians telling us not doing various things is highly dangerous & illegal, then giving exceptions. It's either highly dangerous, or it isn't. Piss taking rules like you must wear a mask when on a train. Unless you're eating a sandwich.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 19:25:20 GMT
Sheff Utd player John Fleck collapsed the other day, don't know what that was about.
Dr Jay and his colleagues are supremely qualified experts in the field of epidemiology and as said have had hundreds of international peers support their claims. I understand why the general public are sceptical and mostly chose to get jabbed, they were only allowd one narrative, any dissention even from reputable and even reknowned professionals, experts in relevant fields was silenced or ridiculed by layman like Matt Hancock talking bollocks.
Personally I think all those people are due compensation but that's me.
A huge overplaying of the threat to none vulnerable people to create fear? Check
A media driven frenzy of the scarcity of vaccines to drive demand? Check
Governments yet again awarding themselves more temporary powers that'll likely never be given up? Check
Big Pharma and the elites who own their shares making billions? Check
Creating more division between ordinary people making them hate on each other and not look at the real big picture? Check
Wuhan lab emailing Dr Fauci to thank him for his co-operation? Check
Massive transfer of wealth to the rich excessive even by modern standards during worldwide lockdowns? Check
Media censorship to keep the one narrative pushed despite that going against scientific enquiry? Check
Here we go. Clock the Trevor Sinclair reaction. www.bitchute.com/video/8s4ma8V7Rcz2/
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Post by bubba on Nov 26, 2021 20:00:58 GMT
Just a coincidence Tony, I'm sure.
As for Sinclair being cut off, you sound like one of them nutjob conspiracy theorists, there is no world wide censorship going on, all these things are just coincidences being twisted, now roll your sleeve up, there's a good lad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 20:15:30 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff Th fact people quote the GBD- ["While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 780,000 members of the public signed the declaration, this list – which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist" – contains numerous clearly-fake names, including "Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Bananas", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings"." ]- says alot about the credibility of that piece of work however having seen - a colleague who was in his 50s die from COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - A family friend who is 35, in perfect health spend 9 months in ICU as a result of COVID - my former teacher wo was under 60 to die of COVID (not of other conditions, of actual covid) - My wifes grandmother who was 95 contract it and pass away - Our goalkeeper and former manager- both under 60 spend time in ICU as a result of COVID is enough of a real life sample for me to think this is a novel virus that has caused genuine high risk to humans and needs to be treated seriously Maybe i will be proved to be wrong however. Blimey. I don't know anyone who's succumbed to this, or know anyone who does know someone. But actual, personal experience is the most reliable information. If I'd have had your luck, I'd most likely be more concerned. Though I wouldn't count a 95 year old. Yes of course a 95 year old is likely to be taken out by a common cold-however it still got her. I can only talk from personal experience and the past 12 months have been pretty brutal seeing that go on. My cousin is a doctor who works in a hospital in Sheffield and she said the Covid wards are completely horrific to see people wheezing their way on ventilators in such scale If you haven’t met anyone who has succumbed to it then that’s very fortunate and I can understand why you may have a different viewpoint
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 20:23:26 GMT
I kinda get all the conspiracy theories- and dont doubt there has been some serious profiteering as a result of it. But for me its just tin foil hat stuff
Gotta love this, yeah I kinda get it...but no y'alls feckin crazy man.
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that media and tech companies have been conspiring to censor any dissenting voices from the official narrative?
BN68: Hmm, sound like tin foil hat happy hour to me
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that eminent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford are going against the political narrative of selective scentific opinion?
BN68: nutballs, what d'ya expect when people question things ffs
But bn68 they're expert epidemiologists
BN68: THEN WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ON TV? YOU AINT TAKING ME TO CRAZY TOWN NOW GET.
Sorry for being facetious, but you're a fairly level headed, even minded, not dumb guy and if that's YOUR reaction, what chance for the average Joe (or Jolene) to weigh both sides?
Have said it a thousand times, people are so easily controlled.
Lol that’s quite funny tbf Listen I’m not gonna say there isn’t some credence to what you say. I don’t doubt there are politicians making decisions in their own interests, that big companies are profiting massively from it, and that the media doesn’t influence how we view things (that’s clear from day to day). However to point towards some giant conspiracy is, for me, for the birds I have yet to see anything from these scientists you cite that has been properly peer reviewed and proved to be accurate. That’s how science works and if there is evidence out there it should absolutely go through the process and proved correct I respect you viewpoint mate. You talk arguably the most sense on this board from a blues perspective, however with this stuff it does surprise me. You are usually so balanced and to ignore the ridiculous amount of good data, respected and peer reviewed scientific opinion and evidence of people dying from this disease baffles me Hey ho would be boring if we all agreed huh
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 20:24:40 GMT
Just a coincidence Tony, I'm sure.
As for Sinclair being cut off, you sound like one of them nutjob conspiracy theorists, there is no world wide censorship going on, all these things are just coincidences being twisted, now roll your sleeve up, there's a good lad.
No-one, and I don't just mean the good people on here, knows how far down a rabbit hole I've gone. I'm shaken to my very core, and make Fiver from Watership Down, look like Dylan from The Magic Roundabout. It's not just this subject. I wouldn't think there are words in any language, to describe my relief if I were to find I had either lost my mind, or had the intelligence of a buttercup.
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Post by choc on Nov 26, 2021 20:35:23 GMT
My next door neighbour had covid for a week now. 2 positve flow tests and 1 pcr all positve. she's 70 feels a bit rough. She has had all 3 jabs and said she's just tested negative. That must be a coincidence though.😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 20:41:27 GMT
My sister had it before the jabs came out. She is still suffering now,especially with brain fog.She was close to death at one stage. Hmm. That is bad, and I'm sorry to hear it. Flu doesn't do that. How old is she ? 57
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Post by bubba on Nov 26, 2021 20:46:22 GMT
Gotta love this, yeah I kinda get it...but no y'alls feckin crazy man.
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that media and tech companies have been conspiring to censor any dissenting voices from the official narrative?
BN68: Hmm, sound like tin foil hat happy hour to me
Hey bn68 d'ya hear that eminent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford are going against the political narrative of selective scentific opinion?
BN68: nutballs, what d'ya expect when people question things ffs
But bn68 they're expert epidemiologists
BN68: THEN WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ON TV? YOU AINT TAKING ME TO CRAZY TOWN NOW GET.
Sorry for being facetious, but you're a fairly level headed, even minded, not dumb guy and if that's YOUR reaction, what chance for the average Joe (or Jolene) to weigh both sides?
Have said it a thousand times, people are so easily controlled.
Lol that’s quite funny tbf Listen I’m not gonna say there isn’t some credence to what you say. I don’t doubt there are politicians making decisions in their own interests, that big companies are profiting massively from it, and that the media doesn’t influence how we view things (that’s clear from day to day). However to point towards some giant conspiracy is, for me, for the birds I have yet to see anything from these scientists you cite that has been properly peer reviewed and proved to be accurate. That’s how science works and if there is evidence out there it should absolutely go through the process and proved correct I respect you viewpoint mate. You talk arguably the most sense on this board from a blues perspective, however with this stuff it does surprise me. You are usually so balanced and to ignore the ridiculous amount of good data, respected and peer reviewed scientific opinion and evidence of people dying from this disease baffles me Hey ho would be boring if we all agreed huh
Yep. Just to be clear though I don't ignore the data, the guy I watch most of all for covid truth is vaccinated and thinks everybody shoud get it, it does worry me and I'm actually not at all 100% convinced it's a bad thing. That said the argument that you haven't seen anything peer reviewed to argue the other way is imo because the other way is not being entertained by any health authority or clinical trials for alternatives being allowed. That's poor science and makes me extremely suspicous, even the guy I'm on about above who's double jabbed thinks so where there's masses of data now showing very very high correlations between high vitamin D levels on admison to hospital and mild symptoms and very low death rates.
That the drug Ivermectin has been trialled independently by doctors around the world with such astonishing success rates that they've had to stop giving placebos to some of the trial participants on the grounds that they were doing harm by not giving them the drug others were getting. Not only that but precisely because of these independent study results it shows strong claims for Ivermectin being a superb anti-viral for a myriad of viral infections, not just covid, (even being referred to a wonder drug in this respect) but rather than study it, it's ridiculed as a horse worming tablet and it's not the only one but you never hear about these because quite simply the science is not done, that's suspicious to me.
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 21:12:44 GMT
Hmm. That is bad, and I'm sorry to hear it. Flu doesn't do that. How old is she ? 57 Bugger. If I give the impression I think the virus is a none issue, and I'm not suggesting you think that, but if I do, it's not what I think. I do so try to express what I do think. I get the impression that sometimes I fail, and other times I'm purposefully misrepresented (I don't think I'll ever feel you would do that). Best wishes to your sister.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 21:19:25 GMT
bubbaThat’s interesting re ivermectin. Do you have a credible article about it? (Hard to find via Google )
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Post by tonyhancock on Nov 26, 2021 21:23:30 GMT
Lol that’s quite funny tbf Listen I’m not gonna say there isn’t some credence to what you say. I don’t doubt there are politicians making decisions in their own interests, that big companies are profiting massively from it, and that the media doesn’t influence how we view things (that’s clear from day to day). However to point towards some giant conspiracy is, for me, for the birds I have yet to see anything from these scientists you cite that has been properly peer reviewed and proved to be accurate. That’s how science works and if there is evidence out there it should absolutely go through the process and proved correct I respect you viewpoint mate. You talk arguably the most sense on this board from a blues perspective, however with this stuff it does surprise me. You are usually so balanced and to ignore the ridiculous amount of good data, respected and peer reviewed scientific opinion and evidence of people dying from this disease baffles me Hey ho would be boring if we all agreed huh
Yep. Just to be clear though I don't ignore the data, the guy I watch most of all for covid truth is vaccinated and thinks everybody shoud get it, it does worry me and I'm actually not at all 100% convinced it's a bad thing. That said the argument that you haven't seen anything peer reviewed to argue the other way is imo because the other way is not being entertained by any health authority or clinical trials for alternatives being allowed. That's poor science and makes me extremely suspicous, even the guy I'm on about above who's double jabbed thinks so where there's masses of data now showing very very high correlations between high vitamin D levels on admison to hospital and mild symptoms and very low death rates.
That the drug Ivermectin has been trialled independently by doctors around the world with such astonishing success rates that they've had to stop giving placebos to some of the trial participants on the grounds that they were doing harm by not giving them the drug others were getting. Not only that but precisely because of these independent study results it shows strong claims for Ivermectin being a superb anti-viral for a myriad of viral infections, not just covid, (even being referred to a wonder drug in this respect) but rather than study it, it's ridiculed as a horse worming tablet and it's not the only one but you never hear about these because quite simply the science is not done, that's suspicious to me.
You might even ask yourself what the (financial) lobbying drug companies, who can offer lucrative 'part time' jobs, opinion on cheap alternatives might be. Personally, and I'm not suggesting this is the case, but if it was found that (for example, not exclusive to), vitamin D tablets are pretty effective, I suspect they might just want to keep that quiet. There again, I most likely have a reputation for cynicism
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